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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 August 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes. On the Thursday before the UK-EU summit, we had a debate—you might remember it, cabinet secretary, as you were the Government speaker. That morning’s Financial Times had highlighted the fact that the price to be paid for Britain’s ability to make a play for loans from the €150 billion security action for Europe—SAFE—defence fund was fishing rights: the TCA roll-over.

I think that we agreed that that was an unacceptable point of negotiation, given the precarious defence and security situation in Europe. You have rightly pointed out the concession on fishing, although it might have been made in principle, as Keith Brown says, prior to the morning of 19 March. However, on the morning of 19 March, the EU said that there would be no agreement unless we gave it a 12-year roll-over. That is awful, is it not? That is a terrible way to talk about defence and security. Do you still stand by what you said in our exchange in the chamber about the EU’s attitude towards defence and security and fishing rights?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

You just needed to read the newspapers to know that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Oh, I see.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

But it could be.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Because the UK defence sector is an enormous component of the total European defence sector, my understanding is that SAFE will be prioritised—that is what will be approached at pace, and something will be unveiled next year that will allow Britain a role in SAFE. That is why I am asking about the SPS and all the other aspects of the so-called agreement. I am not convinced that it is an agreement. It is three documents with lots of lovely aspirations set out in nice text.

Cabinet secretary, you are a long-term EU-phile and a close observer of the EU. Is it likely that nothing will be agreed until everything is agreed, or do you foresee us—I think this would go against how we know the European Union tends to operate—taking a sequential approach to all the elements that are listed, particularly in the “Common Understanding” document?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Well, yes, but the full negotiation has not even begun, and the EU’s negotiating—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, and I am mindful of that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

Okay.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

United Kingdom-European Union Summit

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Stephen Kerr

This committee scrutinises the Scottish Government’s actions in relation to intergovernmental relations. The agreement that the UK Government and the European Union made on 19 May must have been a huge agenda item at the meeting of the council of the nations and regions—which includes John Swinney, the First Minister—on 23 May. Where are the minutes or the outcomes of that meeting, which would give us some detail to allow us to scrutinise the Scottish Government’s engagement with the UK Government? Were the things that you have protested about during this evidence session on the agenda? What was said? What was agreed between John Swinney and Keir Starmer? I am sure that the issue must have come up.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Ofcom

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Stephen Kerr

I hear the rationale and understand it, but what will Ofcom do to see that that happens? At the end of the day, as Scottish parliamentarians, we are interested in creating a sustainable creative industry in this segment in Scotland rather than something that flies in, makes a programme and flies out. What are you going to do?