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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

I want to ask you about the dynamics of what has happened over the past few years, particularly since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Energy prices have skyrocketed on the continent and here. The Germans have their particular problems, which we need not go into but of which we are all aware. Is there pressure in the EU for a deal in that area? You are lobbying on this side of the water. Given the energy cost crisis, is the whole of Europe facing pressure to bring about the improvements in the mechanism for trading that you are describing or is it a war of words as usual?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

Which service sectors in particular mentioned that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

So, that was number 4. Did you say that number 1 was mobility?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

Of course, I completely get the stuff about culture and experience that you have raised, but putting it in the context of skills shortages becomes politically problematic, given the nature of the current debate about levels of legal migration into this country.

More broadly, I would like to ask you about what you started off talking about: the economic trends of where services exports are going. In regard to market opportunities, you mentioned that there has been a change of priority from the EU to the rest of the world. You mentioned that there has been 13 per cent growth in services exports from the UK to the rest of the world, and I think that you said that there has been 9 per cent growth in services exports from the UK to the EU? Is that a trend that has been going on for a much longer time than the period since we left the European Union? Can you trace it back to the decade before we left?

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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

I have a final question for you before I turn to Mr Bain. You mentioned fisheries. Will you weave that into the context to help me to understand the position? Is a deal on fisheries a pretext for any of the other things that we are talking about, or is there something else about fisheries that I do not understand from what you said earlier?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

I have one last question, which is on something that we have not mentioned at all this morning but which has featured heavily in other committee sessions. I am wondering why it has not come up in this evidence session. It may be because we have not asked about it; it may be because it is not as important an issue in the round as it is made out to be. The issue is the mutual recognition of qualifications. Could you comment on that? How much of what you get back from your members, particularly service sector businesses, about barriers to trade with the EU is to do with mutual recognition of qualifications?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

I hope that both sides of the table are listening to your positivity and enthusiasm about how it is possible to bring about an agreement to remove those barriers.

Mr Bain, in your evidence to us this morning, you mentioned youth mobility as a key British Chambers of Commerce ask in the review, and you mentioned a skills shortage. I am a bit confused, if I am honest with you, because the current political debate in the UK is dominated by last year’s net migration figure of a million people coming to this country legally, with skills shortages as a justification for those people entering the UK and living here. What specific skills shortages would a loosening of mobility with the EU address?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

Therefore, the skills shortages issue is a much broader issue than the issue of youth mobility. We have a long-term structural problem in our country when it comes to producing skilled people to fulfil the jobs that need to be done. Is that not a fair comment?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

What are numbers 2 and 3, just out of curiosity?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 12 December 2024

Stephen Kerr

What are the roots of the dynamic of exporting more to the rest of the world? You mentioned North America and the United States—why are those markets more attractive to our services companies and individuals to operate in than the EU, or am I reading too much into the growth dynamic and concluding the wrong thing?