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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

The budget does not quite work in the way that you think it does, Mr Robertson. We do not vote on it line by line; there are bits of a budget that we might quite like, but we have to take it as a whole. I applaud you for making your case for the arts, but the reality is that that is not how it works.

I will ask you about the awards that Creative Scotland wants to make and will make. There is a view that your comment about the number of bodies that should receive public money through Creative Scotland has created a scenario in which the “jam”—to use the phrase of an arts sector representative—would be spread so thinly that it would make no difference, particularly at the top end for the bigger companies. What is your response to that?

You will remember what you said. I can read it out if you would like me to, because it is important to set the issue in context. In a report in Scotland on Sunday or The Scotsman, you were quoted as saying that 100 organisations currently receive funding, but that you would like that number to be 150. Your comments have been interpreted to mean that you are instructing Creative Scotland to take the money that it has and to spread it out more thinly. What is your comment on that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

The article quotes you as saying that there are 100 regularly funded organisations—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Convener, I accept your evidence as well as that of the cabinet secretary. The issue with the remit will not go away; that is understood.

Cabinet secretary, Alexander Stewart put to you the real prospect that some of our national assets will close, particularly in the light of some of the evidence that we received from NGS. If I may say so, your response to that does not cut it. You said that you hope that that will not be the case, but we need more than hope. Apart from the fact that we have the most beautiful country in the world, one of the main reasons why people come to Scotland is because we have the richest cultural context that can be imagined. It makes Scotland Scotland.

Last week, Anne Lyden told us that, in 2025, wings of institutions and perhaps whole institutions will be shut down and hours will be reduced. Hope is not going to cut it. What will you do in a situation in which National Galleries of Scotland shuts down attractions?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am asking you to square the circle.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Cabinet secretary, my job here as a member of this Parliament is to scrutinise the work of the Government, and I am reading to you from the Official Report of our previous meeting, when something was said to have been excluded from the review. Is that incorrect? I think that you are saying that Robert Wilson is wrong.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, no.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

Absolutely.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

No, no.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am talking about it.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is absolutely true that the TCA is unique. It is one of a kind for the European Union—there is no doubt about it. The fact is, though, that there is a changing dynamic in world trade. The European Union is losing share to the rest of the world, and British business—being pretty nimble, to be frank; it has managed to negotiate some particularly difficult political and economic minefields, not just in recent years but over the longer term—will go to where the opportunities are. The committee has heard in evidence that the United States is a market where British businesspeople are doing rather well, specifically in the service sector.

There is a change of heart in the European Union towards the overregulation of the EU market, is there not? I am thinking of Mario Draghi and the comments from Emmanuel Macron. I am looking at Arianna Andreangeli as I say that, because I know that her expertise is in the European Union. When we talk about a reset of Britain’s relationship with the European Union, is there not also a reset happening in the European Union in terms of its attitude towards trade?