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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I completely understand. I think that the matter bears strongly on that. The organisation gets in excess of £70 million. The concern that the cabinet secretary has raised, and which a number of us share, relates to a general sense that there is a malaise in the organisation, with some serious cultural issues that bear on the internal management and control of public funds, and on the way in which the body carries out its very important role—as has been described by the cabinet secretary.

To conclude on the issue concerning the episode that I have raised, cabinet secretary, do you expect to see a review and an outcome from that review, and will it have the necessary transparency, given the nature of the issue that I and others have raised?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Oh, it very much is, because this is about the culture of an organisation that is in receipt of tens of millions of pounds—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Good morning. Can you elaborate on what the threats are to the other sources of funding? Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that you have had two years of increases in grant-in-aid money. Have I got that right?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I take it that local authorities are saying to you that they are cash strapped and that you have more money. Do they actually say that?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

My one takeaway is that perhaps we need to challenge the evidence that we have been given at a top-line level about the fact that multiyear-funded organisations are saying that they got less money this year than they expected, or than was normal, because you have clearly suggested in your evidence that you do not recognise that. We probably need to ask a few more questions about that.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have one more question that follows on from that and which is directly related to money and budgets—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

It was £22.5 million last year. Is there a temptation on the part of local authorities and other organisations to see that increase as a reason for them to stop supporting the arts?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can I ask my question directly, convener?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 25 September 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is about money, because I want to ask the cabinet secretary whether he thinks that it is appropriate for directors of a public body, during the renewal of a multimillion-pound contract, to accept hospitality at heavily discounted rates within the estate that they manage. Does he think that it is right that that kind of relationship should exist when we are dealing with multimillion-pound contracts and the directors are in receipt of discounted items—freebies, perhaps—from the contractor? Where must that leave the contractor? That is very relevant to the use of public money.