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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

And the Conservative Government that set up the office—brilliant.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am grateful to the cabinet secretary. He is saying that I am right about things that he is putting forward, but—interestingly—I do not necessarily wholeheartedly agree with everything he says that I am right about. I am interested in the—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, I wanted to come to Dr Möschler, because I am interested in—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

Oh my goodness! I hope that the official reporters are catching this.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

That was five years ago. What I am talking about is the current health of the Scottish fishing industry. You are talking about salmon, but I am talking about fishing.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am contesting that, because we are having record catches.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

Can I interrupt you?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am surprised to hear that, because I think that it is commonly understood that one of the key asks of the EU in this review will be about improved access to fishing grounds. I generally regard Angus Robertson as one of the most informed cabinet secretaries that we have in the Scottish Government, so I am surprised that he does not seem to be aware of that fact, given that the fact that fishing rights are on the line features in every report that has ever been published on the topic. I hope that he will—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

That is what I am here to do. It is my job to interpret what he is saying, convener. That is exactly why we have committees. We saw a great example of that in the Education, Children and Young People Committee yesterday.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Review of the EU-UK Trade and Co-operation Agreement

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Stephen Kerr

The cabinet secretary knows that I believe that we should implement border controls in order to create an appropriate level playing field and a quid pro quo. At the moment, we are not in a particularly strong position when it comes to negotiating things, given that we have not implemented the original agreement—we probably agree on that.

I am concerned about the implications of any reopening of negotiations—well, let us be clear that the TCA is not going to be reopened; and I agree that the word “reset” is completely overused and is probably best not repeated. However, I want to ask you, as a Government minister, about a bit of the document that came to us following last week’s EU-UK Parliamentary Partnership Assembly. It concerns the element of sanitary and phytosanitary agreements, which you rename for the understanding of everyone who listens to you. It describes the discussions that are about to happen and talks about the value of

“providing a signal at or before the Summit”—

that is, the initial summit that reviews all of this—

“that a fair deal on fisheries will be reached,”

I read that with some alarm, to be frank. As you know, over the past couple of years, the Scottish fishing industry has been having a bit of a bumper time, with record catches in places such as Peterhead. I am concerned that we are going to repeat the mistakes of the past when it comes to access to UK territorial waters and fishing rights.

Do you agree with my concerns? Do you agree that the UK Government ought not to be giving away rights that we have only just recovered and that the benefit of our current position is not only that the fishing industry is having a bumper time but that we have an opportunity to invest in the onshore infrastructure around fishing, particularly with regard to processing?