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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Agenda item 2 is evidence from Professor Gordon Stobart, emeritus professor of education at University College London, on his report providing a comparative perspective of upper secondary education and student assessment in Scotland. Professor Stobart has worked as a secondary school teacher, as an educational psychologist, as a senior researcher in policy-related environments and as an academic. His expertise is in assessment, with much of his recent work focusing on assessment for learning.

Professor Stobart’s report was published as part of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s series of working papers, in which the OECD publishes papers that describe the preliminary results of work in progress in order to stimulate discussion of issues on which the OECD works. I stress that the report represents the views of Professor Stobart rather than those of the OECD.

We are delighted to have you with us, Professor Stobart. You are very welcome. Before we open up our session to questions, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Bob, would you like to come back in or are you content?

11:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

We really thank you, Professor Stobart. We have put you through your paces over the past hour and three quarters, and you have given us lots to think about. It has been a robust session. It has been honest, frank and fair. On behalf of all members, I thank you for your paper and your presence at the committee.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end. I ask members to reconvene on Microsoft Teams, which will allow us to consider our next agenda items in private.

11:16 Meeting continued in private until 11:47.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I will allow one more supplementary question. I appeal to colleagues to make supplementaries really short and pithy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Stephanie Callaghan has the next line of questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

That was an excellent introduction, and it was good to get clarity on your wide-ranging experience. Can you talk about your experience of Scottish education and the Scottish educational landscape?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I will take some more quick-fire supplementary questions. I emphasise the importance of the quick-fire aspect.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Stephanie Callaghan talked about entering politics later on in life. I, too, entered politics later, having previously been an employer, and I agree with what you have said. I suspect that you are also right that the complaints that employers are making these days about the suitability of candidates who turn up for interviews and the internal assessments that they conduct were being made 100 years ago. However, do you agree that employers and universities have a very important voice in this debate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I will address directly with you, if I may, part of the struggle that employers have with the education system, to see whether it accords with your experience. Employers sometimes feel that there is a snobbery in the educational establishment about vocational training and about the types of disciplines and professional skills that they are looking for in candidates whom they wish to recruit. Do you agree? Have you come across that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Upper Secondary Education and Student Assessment

Meeting date: 10 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Thank you, I am enjoying your transparent honesty about what you have discovered. Kaukab Stewart, the deputy convener, will ask the next questions.