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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

The committee must now produce a report on the draft instrument. Are members content to delegate responsibility to the deputy convener and me to agree that report on behalf of the committee?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for their attendance, and I suspend the meeting briefly to allow them to leave the meeting.

09:50 Meeting suspended.  

09:54 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

You are in a key role with COSLA, as chief officer in the children and young people team. Do you have any sense of whether there is a move to get those teachers on temporary contracts on to permanent contracts? Is that something that you are aware of?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

It is fundamental to the discussion about Covid recovery that those teachers, who have done a fantastic job—we have done a lot of work on the workload that teachers have been bearing—deserve permanent contracts.

I am, quite rightly, being encouraged to be as brief as I have encouraged others to be, so we will go to Stephanie Callaghan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

I do not want you to be too specific about numbers and so forth, but, as far as you are aware, is that now happening? Are those contracts being made permanent in Dundee?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

I will bring in Bob Doris in a minute, but I have to say that he is right. The Scottish Government and Parliament are sanctioning the spending of this money, which is going to Scotland’s local authorities. I am all for holding the Scottish Government to account, but at the end of the day, the employer is the local authority. [Interruption.] I am getting all kinds of gestures from colleagues who want to come in.

It is very important that those temporary contracts are made permanent, so I ask Laura Caven to do what I did not ask her to do earlier, which is to write to the committee and tell us whether the move from temporary to permanent contracts is happening and the number of teacher vacancies in Scotland over and above the temporary contracts. I think that we would like to know that—in fact, I think that it is fundamental to the committee’s role to ensure that every penny that is spent on education delivers the right number of teachers in classrooms with the permanency of contract and security of tenure to allow them to get on with their lives.

I will bring in Bob Doris, and I see that Michael Marra wants to come in, too. I know that this is a very important issue, but please be brief.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

So, it is unlikely that the process will be activated without consideration being given to trying to claim back some of the compensation moneys that have been paid to survivors.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

But this process would be initiated entirely by Redress Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

I asked a parliamentary question about that in the summertime, and I was told by the Government that one in eight of all our teachers is on a temporary contract. There are people in classrooms doing a job of work right now who do not have the security of a permanent contract. When I quite rightly asked about that in the chamber, the Government minister said that the Government had now sorted that, because the temporary, one-off money in a pot was now part of the core budget. I am really surprised to hear you being so soft on the issue of getting those temporary contracts to become permanent. I am really surprised that the union is not being much harder on that issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children and Young People (Impact of Covid)

Meeting date: 1 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

When classes were online, teachers were getting an eye into the homes of children, almost. The digital divide became apparent during the first lockdown, and I know that there were efforts to remedy that as we went into the second, longer lockdown. I am confused about why teachers could not see clearly what was going on in some homes—you can tell. These are professional people: I have the highest respect for our teachers, who understand something about children. Were they not able to detect from the digital interface that there might have been issues that they should have been referring?