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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 December 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I hope that you get the feeling that our committee—I do not think that I am speaking out of turn to say this—wishes you all the best in solving this issue. However, I do not think that we can overstate the seriousness of the situation at Historic Environment Scotland. The section 22 report that the Auditor General has said that he will issue is pretty much a mayday signal in respect of the current status of Historic Environment Scotland. That means that, in effect, the Auditor General is saying, “This public body is broken and Parliament and Government must now act.”

Sir Mark, how many days a week did you say you have?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

One day a week.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is there an on-going independent inquiry?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I do. Thank you, convener, for your indulgence. I want to go back to Stephen Boyle’s letter to me on Friday, in which he said:

“I am also concerned that Historic Environment Scotland has operated without an Accountable Officer for an extended period”.

On the basis of what I have heard this morning, I am now unclear about this. The chief executive officer of HES was not in the business; therefore, there was no accountable officer. Is that right? You went without one for a length of time—the letter refers to “an extended period”.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes. Some people may just be seeing highlights of the qualifiers on YouTube, as opposed to being able to watch the matches. Of course, I was interested in what you said about the younger demographic—who it is important to sell football to—preferring to view the highlights packages on YouTube.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Well, it is very relevant because the chief executive officer is the accountable officer. It is a requirement of the Scottish public finance manual that there has to be an accountable officer in the organisation.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Sporting Events of National Interest

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are quite content with the current arrangement.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is it correct to say that the new business model predates Katerina Brown’s appointment?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

She was clearly not. In Audit Scotland’s letter, that is one of the issues that is highlighted as promoting the need for a section 22 report, which is an extreme measure on the part of the Auditor General.

Did the board discuss at any time during the period when the CEO was out of the business the issue that you were operating without an accountable officer? I have already referred to the Scottish public finance manual. Was that issue discussed?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Did you seek to communicate with the Scottish Government about the issue of the lack of an accountable officer? Did you communicate with the Government? Did you point the issue out to it? Did you ask for a new accountable officer?