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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

I will get to the point of why I am asking about that. I understand that protected characteristics and diversity are important, and I can see that a lot of effort goes into those considerations, but one aspect of the profiles of those who serve on public boards is that they are all pretty much alike. For example, they predominantly have high incomes. The number of people who serve on boards or who are chairs of boards who earn low to middle incomes is pretty small compared with the number who earn over £75,000 a year. The people who are appointed to public bodies, including chairs, also predominantly have public sector backgrounds. Relatively few of them—maybe around half as many—are from the private sector, and even fewer are from the voluntary sector. What is happening that means that there seems to be that replication, with the same sort of people joining those public body boards? From an optics point of view, that seems to be somewhat less than optimal.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Are they predominantly public sector people with high incomes?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

A refresh.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

The refresh is obviously in focus because it is in your report—that is good, and it is the reason that I can ask these questions. Do you expect that the dial will now shift? If so, over what period? Will it be over the next year or over the next two years, for example?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

A key element of effectiveness for anyone who is involved in the process is the speed of decision making. How critical is that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

To be absolutely clear—I am aware of this, convener—this committee’s jurisdiction does not encroach on the area of councillors.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

With your permission, convener, I would like to illustrate the issue of the speed of decision making by referring to what is in the report about councillors. It looks as though the average stage 1 complaint takes around 160 days, I think—I cannot tell—before someone goes to stage 2 or has the complaint against them dismissed, in effect. It is then a further 180 days at stage 2. It is therefore possible that a complaint against an individual—I am using this only for illustrative purposes, and I appreciate that another committee will talk to you about councillors—could take the best part of a year.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

I have illustrated one example with regard to councillors. You might refer to that, to MSPs or to public bodies. How much of an improvement will there be in your key performance indicators in the report that we will be looking at a year from now?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

If there is time.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 14 March 2024

Stephen Kerr

Yes—thank you, deputy convener. Jackie Dunbar made a point about delay, which I mentioned, too. What consideration do you give to the wellbeing of people who are on the receiving end of complaints? I am operating from a background of knowing some of the stresses that colleagues have gone through. In one case, the person concerned left public life, in effect. I do not think that I am saying anything that has not already been said in public by that person. I think that that was a disaster, because that person had so much to give. How much consideration do you give to the wellbeing of the people who are the subject of complaints?

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