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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, and welcome to the first meeting in 2022 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. This is a virtual meeting.

The first item on the agenda is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, as part of our scrutiny of the Scottish Government budget for 2022-23. I warmly welcome Shirley-Anne Somerville MSP and her officials. Graeme Logan is the director of learning and Alison Cumming is the director of early learning and childcare at the Scottish Government.

As is our custom, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement before we move on to questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

Very briefly, Bob.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

I would like to press you on that. That is all good, but what numbers and what percentage are we looking at? The level is currently 12 per cent, which is one in eight of all Scotland’s teachers. What is the success that you are looking for in terms of a reduction—I presume that we agree that we want a reduction in that number—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Yes. You are on now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Who do you want to bring in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

That seems like a fair summary and a fair request from Fergus Ewing.

Frank Mitchell and Sharon Drysdale want to respond to Fergus Ewing’s line of questioning, then we will go to Oliver Mundell. Ross Greer has had a few technical problems, but we will go back to him after we have heard from Oliver Mundell.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

The employers feel that they are not in the room when the decisions about apprenticeships are made. Is that opinion justified? Does the experience of your membership support that idea that was given to us last week?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Perhaps you could help me to understand what you said earlier. I said that our witnesses told us last week that they feel that they are not in the room. I put that view to you, and you said that it was not justified because the Scottish Apprenticeship Advisory Board is in the room. Describe to me what your organisation would prefer to be the arrangement in order to deliver a demand-led apprenticeship system.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

That is helpful. Frank Mitchell would like to come in on the questions that Allan and I have been discussing. Frank, what is your take?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 15 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Allan Colquhoun suggested some kind of voucher system whereby the money is basically released back to employers and they can then use it effectively to match the demand, which would lift the numbers. You say that there are 1,370 graduate apprentices while the demand is 4,000. Allan Colquhoun has suggested that vouchers should be available to employers to get the apprentices that they want. I may have misinterpreted Allan—he will come back in if I have done so—but what is your reaction to that?