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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is about people having confidence and meeting challenges within their own resources. That is quite hard to measure, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

I hear what you are saying, and I can think of examples in my region of that kind of interaction between schools, organisations such as yours, employers and all kinds of external bodies that support young people, which is fantastic, but my concern is that there are many other schools where none of that is happening. Local employers have even told me that they do not feel welcome at all, and I am talking about before the pandemic, not just during it. They do not feel as invited as they perhaps ought to be. Is that your experience? I know that we are talking in generalities but, from your perspective, is that a reflection of the situation across Scotland, not just in Central Scotland, which I represent?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Do the participants self-select or are they selected?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Is that in all 32 local authority areas?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Okay. You can come back to us on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

It is about positive outcomes, so is going on to an apprenticeship and college, for example, the kind of outcome that we are talking about?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Is it basically the case that, for every £1 of resource that goes to an organisation such as yours, you bring in more than £1? You have said that you have other resources that you call on and that you deliver additionality—you bring something different that would not be there if you were not there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

A point that you made in your written submission struck me emotionally as well as in other respects. It is in the part in which you mentioned pupils engaging, sustaining friendships, managing transitions, arriving on time, and feeling ready to learn. You said:

“One Headteacher told us: ‘if someone said to me “but he’s still not meeting his benchmarks”, I’d say “but he’s in class.”’”

That is a measurable thing that is perhaps not going to hit any headlines, but it will make a tangible difference in the longer term.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Sah-ra—sorry—Say-ra. I keep wanting to say your name in the wrong way. I apologise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

We move on to the main item, and we are delighted to welcome to Parliament those witnesses who are attending the meeting in our committee room.

We will be taking evidence as part of our Scottish attainment challenge inquiry. Our focus this week is on the work of the third sector organisations that provide services that are funded through the attainment challenge. I welcome our witnesses. Jim Wallace, the director of children and families at the Aberlour Child Care Trust, is joining us remotely. Maureen McAteer, the assistant director of Barnardo’s Scotland, is with us in the committee room. Sara—is that pronounced Sah-ra or Say-ra? I should have asked earlier.