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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Covid-19 and Schools

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

Who would like to take on the question about free devices and free connections?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Covid-19 and Schools

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

If I understand what you said to Willie Rennie—this is what I am hearing—that is later than you would like it to be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Covid-19 and Schools

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

Margaret Wilson, what do parents think about that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Covid-19 and Schools

Meeting date: 19 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

There are teachers at work today in classrooms across Scotland who have been on temporary contracts. The Scottish Government’s intention was that the baseline money would translate those temporary contracts—where it is appropriate; I grant you that proviso—into permanent ones. Our committee is very interested in making sure that taxpayers’ money is being used for the purposes that we would all like to see it used for. We are talking about the wellbeing of teachers.

Let me ask you another question relating to teachers’ wellbeing, which you mentioned in your paper, for which I thank you. Do you recognise the issue that was raised a couple of weeks ago in the Glasgow Evening Times in relation to the number of days lost to mental health issues among teachers? It said that, since 2017, the figure would amount to 1,500 years of lost teacher days due to mental health issues. What factors do you attribute to that issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

I have one final question. Earlier, you mentioned some timelines, but can you say whether the committee will receive a copy of the report before the Scottish Government responds to it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you. We would like to have a look at the report as soon as we possibly can—I am sure that you feel the same way.

I thank you and your officials for your time today. It has been a useful and revealing session—typically robust, but all well within order. We look forward to the next occasion that you and your officials join us.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end.

11:41 Meeting continued in private until 12:22.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

As you will appreciate, cabinet secretary, the committee has not plucked that out of the air. Audit Scotland has made direct recommendations to the Government about the importance of setting out in advance in that area of public policy and many other areas of public policy the benefits that we expect will happen because of the money that is committed on behalf of the Scottish taxpayer. I take it that you agree with that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am sorry to interrupt you, cabinet secretary, but are you saying that you do not know whether that money has been used thus far to make temporary contracts permanent? That is what I think you are saying.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

You are clearly concerned about teachers’ morale and wellbeing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2022-23

Meeting date: 12 January 2022

Stephen Kerr

In an earlier evidence session, I asked the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and one of the teaching unions the same question. They were equally unsure about what is happening to that money.

I will ask you a different question. In the spirit of what I started out by talking about this morning, around outcomes, what would success look like for you, as the cabinet secretary for education, as an outcome from spending that additional £80 million? What should the number of temporary contracts, as a percentage of the total teaching faculty of the country, look like when we get the result that you are looking towards?