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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am not sure that politicians should be getting involved in that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

The next petition is PE1692, which is on an inquiry into the human rights impact of the getting it right for every child—GIRFEC—policy and data processing. I am not a great fan of all these acronyms; I have to keep reminding myself of what they stand for. The petition, which was lodged by Lesley Scott and Alison Preuss on behalf of Tymes Trust and the Scottish Home Education Forum, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to initiate an independent public inquiry into the impact on human rights of the routine gathering and sharing of citizens’ personal information on which its GIRFEC policy relies.

Our papers say that, in January 2020, the Deputy First Minister and then Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills explained that his officials were in the early stages of developing a package of products based on shared principles around how services should handle sensitive personal information, to ensure that children, young people and their parents could be assured that their rights were being respected. At that time, the Deputy First Minister expected to publish those materials at the end of 2020; however, progress was delayed by the pandemic. In February 2021, responding to a request for an update, the Deputy First Minister indicated that the guidance would be finalised later in 2021. As yet, that guidance has not been published.

I ask members for their comments. Although I am not a fan of acronyms, the subject matter of personal data is a critical issue in the minds of many people, including the petitioners.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

The final petition is PE1747, which was lodged by Alison Thomson. The petition calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to provide adequate funding to support children with additional support needs in all Scottish schools—primary, secondary and special.

Our papers outline the action that was taken on the petition by the session 5 Public Petitions Committee and its decision to refer the petition to the Education and Skills Committee. In its legacy report, the session 5 education committee explained that it undertook work on additional support for learning following the referral of PE1747, which included, at its 18 November 2020 meeting, taking evidence from Angela Morgan on her additional support for learning review report and, as part of its pre-budget scrutiny, looking at additional support needs. However, the committee stated that, given the time constraints, it was unable to fully consider the petition. Do members have any comments on the petition?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

That is a very good point, which highlights the concerns of the petitioner. That is, of course, why we are having this discussion.

Are we agreed to keep the petition open and to consider the matter further in a future discussion of our work programme?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

Do the additional teachers have permanent contracts now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

And the school might decide that it disagrees with the authority and is going to keep the staff.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

We might come back to teacher contracts, which, as the witnesses will discover, is a bit of a favourite subject for the committee, because we are exercised by the fact that one in eight of our teachers is on a temporary contract. We think that that is, to be frank, outrageous.

I ask Mark Ratter to come in on my original question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

I tend to agree with what you have said. I will bring Michael Marra back in, in a minute. To be fair to the petitioner, we are not likely to get to this in the immediate future. As I said, I cannot see over the brow of the hill, but I do not see us getting into that policy area in the work of the committee in the next year at least. I therefore think that the best thing to do is to be completely on the level and say that we should close the petition but that, should we get to the subject of initial teacher education, we would have an institutional memory of the petition and could revisit it at that time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Petitions

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

This is about funding as much as anything else. We have another budget cycle coming almost as soon as we get back from the summer recess, so we could consider the issue in the context of our pre-budget scrutiny. Over the course of that process, it would be a fair issue for the committee to address with witnesses, including the cabinet secretary. We could keep the petition open to take us to that point and then review it. Does that answer your question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 4 May 2022

Stephen Kerr

That brings us to the end of this agenda item. I thank Ruth Binks, Gerry Lyons, Tony McDaid and Mark Ratter for their invaluable help to the committee as it pursues its inquiry. I wish them all a pleasant day.

We will have a short suspension to allow the witnesses to leave.

11:33 Meeting suspended.  

11:36 On resuming—