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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

That is very difficult for politicians, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that the research that is about to be done, or that is under way, is due to report in about a year’s time. There will then be the passage of the bill and so on. Does it concern you at all that we are going to be looking at it in the wrong direction?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

We will come back to interfaces. You are making a case for the status quo and saying that there are 32 different models for good reason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Your argument is very similar to that of Tony Buchanan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

You cannot improve anything if you do not know where you are starting from.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Here is another quote from Universities Scotland’s submission to us. It says that the funding model that we now operate

“bakes in a structural reliance on international fees”.

It is saying that, even without the potential for a geopolitical shock, the level of cross-subsidy is going to erode the quality of the education and the experience on offer in Scotland. I am actually shocked, convener, that that has never been discussed between Universities Scotland and the minister, because it seems to me to be a huge existing and known threat.

I will make one more point, if I may, convener. The possibility of further geopolitical shocks is obviously very real, particularly in relation to the share of international students who come to Scotland from China, which was 17,165 in 2020-21. Of course, we welcome all the international students who come to Scotland—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are we talking about, say, demand-led apprenticeships? I am just trying to work through what you have said, because I did not really grasp it. Are you saying that there will be more demand-led apprenticeships so that businesses can have cash following their apprentices into the college system? Hugh Hall, the principal of Fife College, was very specific about this in his evidence to us, saying that there were “constraints and bureaucracy” that were obviously costly and time and resource consuming. Could there be a reduction in the constraints and bureaucracy that Hugh Hall referred to? Could there even be some latitude in the form of borrowing? Could colleges borrow to support their expansion in order to fulfil the local demand that you have just described? What is your response to those questions and comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

What other flexibilities have already been offered to the colleges, and what menu of possible further flexibilities have you and your officials worked up? I must ask you to be specific about that, minister, because it would be good to get that information out in the public realm.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am sorry, minister, but, in any other environment, the answer that you have given would simply not be acceptable. I would not like to hear that you are reflecting on and looking at things; I would like to hear you say that we will get a proper analysis of the completion and drop-out rates, that you will look at every reason why people apparently do not complete the courses that they register for and that that will be done within the next month.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

My question is about the cross-subsidy and the vulnerability in relation to that particular block of students. Also, does the minister agree that

“The Chinese Communist party is using all the instruments of its international architecture, including the Confucius Institutes, to harass, intimidate and track down people”?

That, by the way, is a quote from Stewart McDonald, the Scottish National Party defence spokesman.