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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

I will be brief. The minister suggests that the sector has not suffered from the geopolitical shocks of the events of this year and the consequences of the supply chain crisis at the end of Covid. I suggest that the sector is suffering, as all sectors are suffering, because of the impact of global inflation and increasing international uncertainties.

Minister, Universities Scotland said something specific that I would like to read to you so that we can get your view.

“Even without the perpetual risk of a geopolitical shock, the extent of cross-subsidy now jeopardises the quality of education, experience and support that universities are able to offer. When that happens, international students will exercise their choice to go elsewhere.”

What are your thoughts on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

[Inaudible.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

When will the issue be fixed, then?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

You cannot improve anything if you do not know where you are starting from.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Universities

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Here is another quote from Universities Scotland’s submission to us. It says that the funding model that we now operate

“bakes in a structural reliance on international fees”.

It is saying that, even without the potential for a geopolitical shock, the level of cross-subsidy is going to erode the quality of the education and the experience on offer in Scotland. I am actually shocked, convener, that that has never been discussed between Universities Scotland and the minister, because it seems to me to be a huge existing and known threat.

I will make one more point, if I may, convener. The possibility of further geopolitical shocks is obviously very real, particularly in relation to the share of international students who come to Scotland from China, which was 17,165 in 2020-21. Of course, we welcome all the international students who come to Scotland—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are we talking about, say, demand-led apprenticeships? I am just trying to work through what you have said, because I did not really grasp it. Are you saying that there will be more demand-led apprenticeships so that businesses can have cash following their apprentices into the college system? Hugh Hall, the principal of Fife College, was very specific about this in his evidence to us, saying that there were “constraints and bureaucracy” that were obviously costly and time and resource consuming. Could there be a reduction in the constraints and bureaucracy that Hugh Hall referred to? Could there even be some latitude in the form of borrowing? Could colleges borrow to support their expansion in order to fulfil the local demand that you have just described? What is your response to those questions and comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

What other flexibilities have already been offered to the colleges, and what menu of possible further flexibilities have you and your officials worked up? I must ask you to be specific about that, minister, because it would be good to get that information out in the public realm.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

The topic is apprenticeships. I was impressed that Margot Black introduced that topic earlier. Can we hear from Wendy Brownlie and Carrie Lindsay about what their councils are doing in relation to offering childcare practitioner modern apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that you are referring to their parents. [Laughter.]