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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

Are we talking about, say, demand-led apprenticeships? I am just trying to work through what you have said, because I did not really grasp it. Are you saying that there will be more demand-led apprenticeships so that businesses can have cash following their apprentices into the college system? Hugh Hall, the principal of Fife College, was very specific about this in his evidence to us, saying that there were “constraints and bureaucracy” that were obviously costly and time and resource consuming. Could there be a reduction in the constraints and bureaucracy that Hugh Hall referred to? Could there even be some latitude in the form of borrowing? Could colleges borrow to support their expansion in order to fulfil the local demand that you have just described? What is your response to those questions and comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 2 November 2022

Stephen Kerr

What other flexibilities have already been offered to the colleges, and what menu of possible further flexibilities have you and your officials worked up? I must ask you to be specific about that, minister, because it would be good to get that information out in the public realm.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

The topic is apprenticeships. I was impressed that Margot Black introduced that topic earlier. Can we hear from Wendy Brownlie and Carrie Lindsay about what their councils are doing in relation to offering childcare practitioner modern apprenticeships?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that you are referring to their parents. [Laughter.]

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

That would be very useful, and I think that we all agree with that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

I would like you to answer the question. My question was about your personal engagement and what the PVI sector has told you about the conditions that it faces.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

Largely, I tend to agree with Graeme Dey on this matter, and I, too, pay tribute to the petitioner, whose tenacity, perseverance and courage in pursuing the issues is to be commended by all of us.

However, I share the petitioner’s concerns about a lack of a statutory underpinning. I also have growing concerns about what is happening in our schools not just in terms of restraint and the other issues covered in this petition, but in terms of assaults on teachers. The lack of reporting is a growing concern for me.

I think that the only way that reporting measures can be adequately supported is if they are in law. That is why the rest of the United Kingdom is going down that particular route and making it a legal duty to report. That would give us a sounder basis for assessing how the guidelines—which are to be welcomed—will be used and how they will be adhered to. I also think that it gives a basis for the cabinet secretary, Scottish ministers and the Scottish Parliament to be able to assess whether the approach is working.

Therefore, I am happy to support what Graeme Dey has suggested, but, when we write to the cabinet secretary, I would like the issues that have been highlighted by the petitioner and the issues that I am focused on to be included in that letter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

You mentioned it: an annual check-in with some quantitative and qualitative information behind it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

I was going to say that, if it really was a market, it would be first in the queue to be investigated by the Competition and Markets Authority. Frankly, if you think that it is a market, let me disabuse you of that idea. It is not a market, because the local authorities are the funders of the private sector and their competitors. As a result, there is undoubtedly a drift that is beyond anecdotal—for example, in relation to staff, the private, voluntary and independent sector believes that it recruits and trains people and gives them experience, and then the local authority comes along and hoovers them up because it offers them such better salary terms.

I want to ask about your engagement with the PVI sector. Does it tell you similar things to what Willie Rennie and I have said in our questions? I will go first to Carrie Lindsay, then to Wendy Brownlie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Stephen Kerr

I seek the convener’s guidance. I respect the fact that the authorities that are represented before the committee are—I understand this from PVI partners across Scotland—among the best reputationally for some of the things that we are talking about, but I would like to hear from Stewart Westwater what Fife Council’s PVI partners are saying to the council.

Part of the important reflection that we need to make here is about what the sector is telling the council, because it is the funder and a competitor. We need to hear those partners’ voices, but we will not hear them in this evidence session unless our witnesses reflect to us what they have told them.