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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 October 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes, I accept the fact that there have been formal meetings, but, when we visited London recently, we heard evidence from a UK Government minister about how good the relationship was now after the reset between the UK and Scottish Governments. He told us that he was out with a UK minister—I do not know whether I am allowed to say their names. Am I?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Sometimes you have to force people together. It suits some politicians not to speak to each other and to just shout at each other through the broadcast and other media. Does the idea that there will be a meeting and that, therefore, preparatory work needs to be done, and then post-meeting communiqués and so on must be produced, mean that, even when people do not like each other—when the chemistry is not good and the culture is not right—they still have to meet and speak?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I have two more questions, convener, and then other colleagues will want to come in. Then, if there is time, I will have 100 more questions, at least.

My first question is about the idea of having joint scrutiny, which Keith Brown alluded to. I am a strong believer in the idea that we should co-operate across Parliaments, because we have so many areas of joint interest. Where else in the world does joint scrutiny happen? Where else in the world would members of a House of Commons select committee, a Scottish Parliament committee, a Senedd committee and perhaps a Stormont committee come together to do a joint inquiry? Does that happen? How successful is it? How does it work?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Does anyone else have any experience or knowledge of these things?

We have discussed it as a committee, and we have met with members of committees of the House of Commons and the House of Lords because the scope for co-ordinated inquiries—let us call them that, if not joint inquiries—is great. One challenge that we have had here has been getting UK ministers to come and speak to committees with the regularity that we would like. Joint approaches might work better, because, constitutionally, ministers are responsible only to the Parliament that they sit in—I understand that. It would be helpful if there was a broader approach.

My second question is to do with the EU-UK reset, which could be another mythical creature for all I know. I am wondering about the consequences of agreements, particularly for the food and drink aspects of any reset. I do not know how near we are to having some agreement with the European Union, but undoubtedly one of the demands of the European Union will be that we operate in lockstep with its regulations. Setting aside the issue of whether we should be in lockstep at all, I am interested in the consequences for this Parliament of that arrangement, because, based on the reports that we get of the volume of regulation that would come our way, we would struggle to do anything other than just nod at its coming and going. There would be no scrutiny whatsoever.

Can I have some commentary from those of you who have a view on it about the consequences of a lockstep regulatory agreement between the UK and the European Union for scrutiny, accountability and democracy?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

We already know, from when we were members of the European Union, that we have no ability to say no. You sign up to the whole thing and that is it. Do any of the academics want to comment?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

But, ultimately, we could not reject secondary legislation that came to us in regulations from Brussels, could we?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I thought that you maybe had an inside track.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am going to shock my colleagues by reading the room and asking only one question—I will leave my 99 other questions for another occasion. My question is quite broad and revisits UKIMA. The committee has talked about UKIMA several times previously, but given what I have heard the witnesses say about UKIMA today, I wonder whether you expect there to be any change at all in the legislation—in the act itself. Alternatively, do you think that any changes will be around the ad hocery that we discussed earlier—how people speak about and signal to one another how issues that might arise should be dealt with? I will come to Professor Horsley first. You have written a bit about this, have you not?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

It would be non-statutory, though.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Is it me now?