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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 November 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Okay.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am grateful to Liam McArthur for his response to my intervention. However, because of the expectation he outlined—which may or may not be met—of the number of people who will ask to have the procedure, I think that he made the case for a two-year review at the outset of the bill. The need for close inspection and careful and proper review is much greater during the initial phases and the initial experiences of patients, doctors and every other individual and organisation that is impacted by them.

I am not trying to read Liam McArthur’s mind or heart on these matters. However, there could be a real danger that the way in which the law is enacted will spiral in a direction that I genuinely do not think that he would anticipate. Having such a check and balance built in by way of a two-year review would satisfy that concern.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Will the member take an intervention?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Will the member take an intervention?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

The issue—which I think you appreciate—is that the bill represents a fundamental change in the relationship between patients and doctors, and between patients and lots of other people who are there to help them. Naturally, should the bill pass into legislation, the start-up phase would be a period in which we as legislators would be required to take a keen interest in how the law was working and the impact it was having on the very people that, I sincerely believe, you have at heart.

At least in the initial phase of the enactment of the law, would it not be a good idea—with that close inspection in mind—to narrow the five-year period to two years so that we get real-time information about what is happening because of the law? It will be an area that we have never gone into before. Assisted dying has not happened anywhere in the United Kingdom before, although it has happened in other places, and the need to pay close attention to it is met by amendment 206.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Well, not really, because the LCMs that were contested here and in Cardiff were all Brexit related, and in both Parliaments the majority of people were unprepared to accept the result of the referendum. I think that we are comparing apples and oranges if we say—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

I am not sure about that, if I am honest with you, Hedydd.

Can I broaden the discussion out and bring in Dr Grau Creus on the Dunlop review of intergovernmental relations, which was published in 2022? The work was done before 2019—it was set up by Theresa May. Why have the recommendations of that review not been fully implemented, especially in respect to the secretariat? I think that that is the hinge issue in terms of transparency, the frequency of meetings, the quality of meetings and parliamentary scrutiny. Why has that not happened?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Governments count on the fact that few people are watching and listening, but that is exactly what we are here to do, as you know.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Excellent. That is the Welsh blood in me.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Transparency of Intergovernmental Activity

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Stephen Kerr

Yes.