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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
Under agenda item 2, we will hear from stakeholders who support asylum seekers in Scotland. We will hear from Pinar Aksu, human rights and advocacy co-ordinator, Maryhill Integration Network; Selina Hales, founder and director of Refuweegee; Nick Hobbs, head of advice and investigations, Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; María José Pavez, policy officer, Grampian Regional Equality Council; Savan Qadir, project manager, Refugees for Justice; and Dr Sarah Stewart, volunteer and partnership manager, Friends of Scottish Settlers. You are all very welcome to the meeting.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. After our panel members have given short opening statements, we will move to questions. We will start with Pinar Aksu.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
A lot of hands have gone up.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
It is very distressing to hear that. To summarise quickly, in your opinion, the right to education is not being fulfilled, there is no right to work and there is no access to money, because of the £45 limit. The impact on mental health is long and traumatic, which is very distressing to hear.
I will bring in Nick Hobbs. I am sure that you can add to Pinar Aksu’s powerful testimony, Nick.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
Hang on. I am conscious that I have taken up a lot of time so, if you do not mind, I will move on and bring in Maggie Chapman. You will get an opportunity to make the points that you want to make later.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
Thanks for that. We move to Karen Adam.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
María José Pavez, would you like to take that one?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
As we move towards the conclusion of our formal business this morning, I thank all our witnesses and also our two visitors from our very rich, vibrant and resilient asylum seeker and refugee communities. We have heard some of your voices through our panel.
I say to the panel that we have heard your suggestions that we engage directly with those with lived experience and, as the convener, I confirm that it is absolutely my intention that we will do so. The clerks will see you directly after the meeting and discuss your assisting us so that we can do that in the best possible way and hear directly from our communities of asylum seekers and refugees and their families.
I thank you again for your contributions.
11:56 Meeting continued in private until 12:17.Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
A few suggestions have been made already. This is an opportunity to bring any additional suggestions to us.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
We are coming to the end of our evidence session. We have heard lots of important and very powerful testimony. I have one question to ask at the end and I will ask if anybody wishes to make a closing statement; you will have time to do that.
This is a big question, but I wonder whether you could answer it briefly. Feel free to do so in one word or a sentence. We have heard a lot about people slipping through the system and about the areas that are devolved to Scotland. Of course, the main thing is that immigration is not devolved; it is a reserved matter. I would be interested to hear—a yes or a no would be fine—whether you think that it would be better if immigration policy were to be devolved to Scotland.
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 2 May 2023
Kaukab Stewart
Thank you for your responses. If you would like to make a closing statement or mention anything that you have not covered so far, you have an opportunity to do that now.