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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I will come back to that point—I had international comparators.

I will stick with education. Rob, you mentioned the word “survive”. I am passionate about education, and everyone should thrive through education. However, we know about the impact of poverty. Resources can be put into front-line education—a child has a place, a classroom, a teacher in front of them, their books and so on. However, we know that children might be living in unsafe housing, in precarious personal circumstances and all of that—I am alluding to the poverty-related attainment gap. What is your opinion of the minimum core in education? Should resources be targeted at housing and health? We know that these things are all interconnected and I am not expecting a black-and-white answer, but it would be good to hear your opinion.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Is the example of free school meals a good one? A child could be sitting in a classroom with the best teacher in the world and everything in front of them, but if they are hungry, have not had their breakfast and are not going to eat, their priority will be their hunger. That will prevent them from thriving in education and learning, so the investment and the money need to go into feeding and housing children, for instance, or maternal healthcare. It is a complex picture. With the right to education, the sand goes into all sorts of different areas.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament Equalities and Human Rights Committee

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I do not mind if Zainab wants to come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That is a fair point, but that is not what I meant. I was just using it as an illustrative example. I would like families to have access to good, nutritious food.

I realise that time might be a little tight, deputy convener, but if I can just—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Good morning, everyone. I am usually on the Education, Children and Young People Committee, but I have come over to this committee today. I would like drill down into how the minimum core obligations apply in education. We accept that everyone has the right to education—that they have a place. In Scotland, the curriculum is based loosely on Bloom’s taxonomy, but sitting beside that is Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Where do the minimum core obligations fit in with that? We can think of them as a pyramid that is sitting on sand. Are the core obligations the sand underneath that hierarchy of needs, or are they part of it? That is my opening gambit. Luis, you look as though you are itching to get in with a response.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I will move on to the international situation, which I am curious about. You just reminded us about the right to free primary education. We know that there are countries that do not provide that. The other word that I picked out was “retrogressive”. I would like to hear a little more about that and measures such as limiting the education of women and girls. What role can the commission, other Governments and any of us play? What can we do about that? That is happening now: rights that are already there are being taken away. It is highly concerning.

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Minimum Core Obligations

Meeting date: 21 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

You have used flooding as an example of circumstances in which the right of women and girls to education could be withdrawn. I do not see that as a suitable measure in response to an emergency such as the building collapsing. It would be a matter of ideology, and that is not covered, is it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

For absolute transparency, I should say that I am a member of the NASUWT. Mike Corbett is probably expecting more difficult questions, and I will try to be as non-biased as possible.

I will move on to whom the bill should cover. The bill defines a child as someone under the age of 18, but the age range goes up to 26, so that huge band covers school-age children and those older than that. We all know that, daily, teachers in schools face a wide variety of pupils and needs. Do teachers in mainstream schools routinely consider whether a pupil has a disability, as opposed to additional support needs, and how to meet those needs? There is a difference, as we know. I ask Mike Corbett to answer first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That is a good example of the transition issue.

Do the witnesses agree that everyone who meets the Equality Act 2010 definition of a disability should automatically have a transition plan, or should there be an element of self-identification and an opt-out process? In previous answers, it was said that young people, for whatever reason, might not want to declare that they are disabled. The equality guidance states that,

“In the vast majority of cases”,

it will be evident that there is a disability. That will not always be the case, however, so there is a bit of wiggle room, is there not? It would be good to hear your opinions on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 February 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Okay. Will the bill make that a bit clearer, or will it not alter the process at all?