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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

The word that I was thinking of was “pragmatic”. It is a pragmatic way forward but we realise the complexities of it. Can you give an example of any unintended consequences of the process? You alluded to possible legal challenge. Could you go into that a little bit more?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thanks very much. We will move to questions from Karen Adam.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Did you have any involvement in the preparation or development of the amendments?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Our second agenda item is to take evidence on the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill at the reconsideration stage. We will take evidence from two panels of witnesses this morning.

I welcome our first panel. Nicola Killean is the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; Gina Wilson is head of strategy in the office of the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; Juliet Harris is director of Together (Scottish Alliance for Children’s Rights); Jan Savage is executive director of the Scottish Human Rights Commission; and Fiona Menzies is a policy manager at the Law Society of Scotland.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

Before we begin our questioning, I invite each of the witnesses to make some brief opening remarks, should they wish to do so.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. I am always impressed by the clarity of children’s thoughts and how they can bring them alive through visual aids and storytelling.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That is great—thank you.

I take it that Fulton MacGregor has no further supplementary questions, so I will bring in Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. Karen, did you want to ask anything further on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

If no one else wants to come in, I just want to say on behalf of the committee that we have found this to be a very useful session. I think that we have managed to get under the skin of some of the areas of contention to ensure that we move on at pace while also providing a very thorough scrutiny process.

We all appreciated the way in which Juliet Harris brought alive the children’s voices in such a practical way through the image of the spider’s web. From our point of view, we want to ensure that that web is robust so that in the future, when we add on all the bits that will strengthen children’s rights, we have a framework—a web—that is robust enough to carry them.

I agree that children are well able to understand complicated concepts regarding their own needs, wants and rights. When I was a teacher prior to being elected and we were doing rights-respecting schools, the articles in the UNCRC and so on, I could see that children were well able to express—not only orally but through pictures and multisensory play—their knowledge of all the different articles. In one sense, it appears that they were well ahead of us adults and that the legislative process is just catching up with them.

In that spirit, then, I thank you very much for your contributions this morning. Your evidence will certainly add to our scrutiny.

I suspend the meeting very briefly to allow for a change of panels.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:00 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Bill: Reconsideration Stage

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I bring in Fulton MacGregor, who is online.