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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

We are certainly the first UK country to move to adopt the standards. I suspect that other nations in the UK are considering how they will do it. I cannot speak for the pace at which they are doing it, but we certainly hope that they will adopt the standards, because, as we were discussing before we came to the committee, water is not something that respects boundaries—we all share an environment and we all want the highest standards. Having said that, I mentioned that it is a long, complex directive with some requirements that do not come into place until the late 2020s. Therefore, member states and non-member states such as us have had to take a considerable time to consider the directive and plan for its implementation. I suspect that member states are grappling with that. However, it is certainly positive and worthy of pursuing.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

That will be part of the discussion and consultation that I told Mark Ruskell about and am having with Scottish Water. My view at the moment is that that is affordable within current budgets.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

I might have to get back to you about exactly when the costs will be incurred. I said that those costs will come from storage and can update you about exactly when they will be incurred. Given some of the conversations that she has had with Scottish Water about the work that it will have to do to implement the standard, I will hand over to Rosemary Greenhill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

Scottish Water suggested to us that 1 January would be the best date on which to begin and we have consulted throughout the process. Scottish Water has not flagged up any implementation issues. We have collaborated to reach this point.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

I am very pleased to be here to speak to the draft Public Water Supplies (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2022. Scotland’s drinking water is renowned all over the world for its excellent quality. We tend to take that for granted, and very few of us appreciate how much effort is needed to treat water in the first instance and then to monitor its quality to ensure that it is safe to drink from the tap. In this instance, safe means that it is free from substances that constitute a potential danger to human health.

In the interest of public health, we are and will continue to be relentless in ensuring that drinking water continues to meet high standards, and the draft regulations that are before the committee seek to do that. The main purpose of the regulations is to amend the Public Water Supplies (Scotland) Regulations 2014 to implement the health-based standards of the European Union’s recast drinking water directive for Scottish Water-supplied drinking water. The standards are recommended by the World Health Organization.

The EU’s recast drinking water directive, which came into force on 12 January 2021, is a long and complicated directive that is designed to protect drinking water from source to tap, to put in monitoring arrangements for emerging pollutants, to drive up efficiencies and to address access to water issues. We are taking a phased and proportionate approach to alignment with the directive, because some of its requirements will rely on actions that are still to be taken by the European Commission or will not apply until a later date. It is a vast directive and there are different timescales and actions that are required of the EC before all the provisions can be brought in. Bearing that in mind, and after considerable work, particularly by the officials who are with me, we are moving forward with the health-based standards.

The regulations update the standards that will apply to water that is supplied by Scottish Water. They include new chemical parameters for substances that are commonly known as PFAS—perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl substances—or forever chemicals, which are endocrine disruptors. PFAS are extensively used in products that have non-stick or water-repellent qualities, such as waterproof jackets, cardboard for food containers and sun protection factor creams. The regulations will require Scottish Water to check for the presence of those chemicals in drinking water that it supplies, to ensure that it does not contain them at concentrations that would breach the limits that the regulations specify, which are in line with the WHO’s recommendation.

There are some additional changes that the regulations will make. We are updating the existing values of substances that Scottish Water needs to monitor in drinking water and the methods that it will use to assess the microbiological, chemical and indicator parameters. The regulations will enable Scottish Water, with the agreement of the Drinking Water Quality Regulator for Scotland, to deviate from minimum sampling frequencies for drinking water. We could deviate before, but the regulations will make the requirements in that regard more proportionate and, therefore, we hope, provide for a more efficient approach. The regulations introduce the requirement that Scottish Water maintains an operational monitoring programme; again, there was monitoring before, but it will be enhanced.

As I said, the recast drinking water directive is long and complex, but we are taking action now to implement the WHO recommendations that we can implement, and we are the first country in the United Kingdom to do so.

We are also taking the opportunity to make some minor changes, outwith the recast directive. For example, the draft regulations update the frequency of sampling in relation to water that is supplied by tanker, in response to Scottish Water’s increasing use of mobile tankers. We are implementing that provision following consultation with Scottish Water.

The committee will wish to note that 1 January 2023 has been selected as the coming into force date. That date was selected because Scottish Water’s annual monitoring programme begins on 1 January, so the approach will allow a full monitoring record for 2023. Again, we decided on the date following consultation with Scottish Water.

The approach that is being taken to align with the EU’s recast drinking water directive is in the best interests of Scotland. It ensures that the excellent standards of Scottish drinking water to which we have become accustomed are maintained. We are doing that by prioritising the health-based WHO-recommended improvements of the directive, which we can now make.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

We have estimated £10 million as being the upper limit of the cost of what we seek to implement; we estimate it to be less than £10 million. The costs arise in relation to the storage of chemicals at water treatment works, so that the standard in relation to chlorate and chlorite can be achieved.

There will be some additional sampling costs. However, taking into account all that and the very stretched position with regard to public finance, that £10 million is money well spent, given that it is so directly linked to the maintenance of the highest-quality drinking water, to which we have become accustomed in Scotland.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 December 2022

Màiri McAllan

You are quite right. That is one of the things that we would never want to see a diminution of as a result of having left the EU, so we are keen to retain such consultation and have sought to do so in this process.

The changes that we are discussing have an operational impact on Scottish Water rather than on the public. People will turn on their taps and water will flow, and they will look to us and to Scottish Water to ensure that the water is of the highest possible standard. Therefore, we focused mainly on consulting Scottish Water and the Drinking Water Quality Regulator for Scotland. We shared a draft version of the regulations with them, and they were able to point us to some suggested improvements, particularly with regard to aligning the coming-into-force date with Scottish Water’s reporting period.

We also undertook a series of project workshops, as I think we called them, with a suite of stakeholders on the directive itself and how we best align with it. Again, that involved Scottish Water, the Drinking Water Quality Regulator, the Water Industry Commission for Scotland, and the Scottish Environment Protection Agency. I do not think that I have forgotten anyone. That was quite an involved process.

However, I compare that with something that might come down the road from the directive: work on private water supplies. That is a much larger piece of work that will have a much greater impact on the public. Therefore, I will look to undertake consultation again, but in a slightly different way that is more about public consultation, because the work will impact the public a great deal more.

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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Màiri McAllan

That is a good question. My experience in introducing the bill tells me that there is no single definition and that it would be a vexed activity to try to make a definitive definition. There are many permutations of what people think constitutes a rough shoot and my team and I have worked hard to speak to as many people as possible to get the widest possible view on what constitutes a rough shoot. However, it coalesces around an activity in which a line of people moves across ground with dogs who flush the quarry that is to be shot and retrieved, often for sport and sometimes for food. I know that the committee discussed this at the round table, but there is also sometimes a wildlife management element to it.

There is no one definition, however, and I guard against seeking one.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Màiri McAllan

Gun dogs such as Labradors, spaniels and so on.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 30 November 2022

Màiri McAllan

It is not a problem at all. I hope that this session and the additional questions on rough shooting have provided clarity. There are inherent complications in producing a piece of law of this type. That is probably why a well-intentioned piece of work in 2002 ended up creating loopholes for the next 20 years. None of us should pretend that this is not a complicated area of law. However, I go back to Lord Bonomy’s view that what we have produced is a great deal simpler and clearer than what is there at the moment.

I have not said that I will produce guidance; I have said that I would be happy to discuss the production of guidance with the shooting industry, if that is something that would help in that bedding-in period that was discussed at last week’s round-table meeting.