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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 August 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

We have just a small amount of time left. I will bring Pam Duncan-Glancy back in to ask a quick question, then Miles Briggs.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Savings and Reductions 2022-23

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

I thank the Deputy First Minister and his officials for making the very early start this morning. We will consider the evidence that we have heard under agenda item 4.

I suspend the meeting for a brief comfort break and for witnesses to change over.

09:05 Meeting suspended.  

09:10 On resuming—  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

We move on to our next set of questions, and I hand over to my colleague Emma Roddick.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Welcome back, everyone. I welcome to the meeting our third panel of witnesses this morning. On the panel we have Gordon MacRae, who is the assistant director of Shelter Scotland, and Frank McKillop, who is the head of policy and research at Enable Scotland. Frank joins us remotely.

I have reminded members that we cannot just direct all of our questions to Gordon MacRae because he is in the room with us and that we have to remember that we have Frank McKillop online. As always, I ask members to direct their questions to one of the witnesses to start off, then the other witness can respond if they want to. Frank, I will keep an eye on you, so give me a wave if you want to answer and then give our colleagues in broadcasting a second to turn on your microphone before you speak.

Thank you, both, for your written submissions and for making time to join us today. The deputy convener of the committee, Natalie Don, is going to start us off with some questions on the impact of the rising cost of living.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

Thanks for that, Natalie. We move to questions on the same area from Foysol Choudhury.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

The committee continually hears about the mainstreaming of equalities and the use and application of data once decisions are made. As everybody knows, I will talk about the need for gendered and disaggregated data, and about how that can be applied in an intersectional way, until the cows come home.

We will move on to questions about council tax. Paul McLennan will ask the first question on that theme.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

That echoes what we have heard in previous evidence sessions in our inquiry into low income and debt. We know that pre-existing issues will be exacerbated and that new people will be finding themselves in those situations.

Before I hand over, we heard from colleagues in the first session about the fact that Scotland has a fixed budget when trying to reprioritise spending. There is a recognition in the submissions from the SCVO and the Poverty and Inequality Commission that there needs to be more funding from the United Kingdom Government. Do we need to see the cost of living crisis in the same light as the pandemic and have a response along those lines?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

My colleague Paul McLennan is probably quickly rewriting some of his questions or figuring out how he can truncate his questions when we get to that topic.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

The committee is highly aware of that. We recently launched our next inquiry, which will look into meeting child poverty targets via employability. I go quickly to Morag Treanor.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Elena Whitham

I would like to pick up on that point. There is really good practice in my daughter’s school. The school did that for the children—no identification was asked for. That was a response to the fact that there was a low uptake. We know that that can happen; the question is how we get that practice rolled out.