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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

I will, but, first, as someone who used to be a member of a valuation joint board, I would say that, if there was going to be a full-scale revaluation right across the country, the resources to carry out that work would need to be made available.

David Phillips touched on the growth in disability benefit case load and spending, and several others have mentioned it. I want to revisit that issue to get more evidence from you all. David Phillips, will you expand on your earlier contribution with regard to what progress has been made in understanding the reason for the increase across the whole of the UK in the number of people who are on disability benefits? You said that you looked comparatively at other countries and that you did not see the same significant growth. Can you or Tom Wernham talk about that?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

Perhaps the rapid onset of that change has caught everybody on the hop a bit with regard to the need for adequate resourcing to deal with the rise across the board in mental ill health, as opposed to being mentally unwell.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

That feels a little intergenerational, if it relates to young people who were perhaps just born or were not yet born at that point.

Mairi, you spoke about not understanding the data sets associated with that. How many of those people who are now on ADP are in work, as opposed to not in work or claiming other benefits? How do we ensure that we have the fullest picture, so that we can fully understand the trends?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

The spend on ADP in 2024-25 was £96 million lower than anticipated, but it is not looking as though that will be projected in the long term. The spend is set to rise, so the reduction was just a little blip.

Are there devolved policy decisions that will lead to that increase in spend? You spoke previously about the review process not giving the results that were perhaps anticipated and that that is being looked at again. Are there any other drivers in the devolved space that might lead to that increase in case load and spend?

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

I have found this part of the conversation fascinating. The principle of early intervention and prevention is one of the key reasons why I am in this place—it is something that drives me. It is very interesting to hear what Tom Wernham has said, and I am interested to see the paper that is coming out on the two-child limit in England.

Is there space for researchers to come out of the siloed thinking as well? If we ask only certain questions, we will be looking only at one part of the issue. In terms of short-termism, how do you quantify that when you are looking at studies in the States that have thrown money at families but then not given a lengthy period to actually see the outcome? Alternatively, the services might not be the wraparound ones that we need, such as the sure start centres. I made good use of those when I was first a mum way back in the early 2000s.

I think that we need both. We cannot look at things in the short term with a cash-first approach without considering everything that comes out of the siloed approach. I am thinking off the cuff, but I feel as though you have introduced some interesting concepts this morning that we really need to explore a little bit more. I do not know whether anybody has anything further to say.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

Do our local authorities provide a lot of that information in the returns that they submit? Do we know what is happening in the area through the national performance framework? How can we gather that data better, although not in a way that is more onerous, and take account of the data that we already have?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 4 September 2025

Elena Whitham

That was going to be my follow-up question. Where was that paper looking at? Did your paper on ill health look across the UK?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Elena Whitham

I will focus a little bit on school meals and early years nutrition. My colleagues have already ventured into those areas, as usually happens in such discussions, but I am interested in the issue of breastfeeding, which the plan mentions briefly and only in relation to policies that we already have in place. Could the plan be a little bit more ambitious in that area by promoting the clear benefits of breastfeeding, where it is possible for mother and baby, as it helps prevent obesity, control infection and promote healthy gut bacteria?

I also wonder whether explicitly mentioning breastfeeding more in the plan might help local authorities and health and social care partnerships when they are developing their own plans, because they might have to fund breastfeeding co-ordinators and provide support on the ground for mothers at a time when it can be really difficult to do so.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Elena Whitham

Does anybody else want to come in?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Elena Whitham

It is a very difficult issue. Even if you explore how you can leverage in planning, it is really difficult to control the environment outside the school.