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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you very much for those additional comments, minister. They were very helpful. I will move on to my colleague Natalie Don, who has questions on theme 3 and theme 4. Then, we will bring in Evelyn Tweed to ask about theme 5.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you for your comments. Before I hand back to the minister for his right to reply and his winding up, I would like to speak as a disabled adult and somebody who has self-excluded from the benefits process because I have represented people at tribunals in my professional life. I believe that the regulations as set out would speak to people who, like me, have self-excluded. Perhaps we will see them applying to Social Security Scotland for the adult disability payment.

Minister, I come back to you for your reply before we vote on the motion.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you and good morning to colleagues, committee members and witnesses. I declare that I am still a councillor on East Ayrshire Council.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you very much. I look forward to working with the committee.

This morning, we will consider three items of subordinate legislation, as outlined on the committee’s agenda. The minister will begin by making an opening statement on the adult disability payment regulations and the related information-sharing amendment regulations, after which we will consider the motions on those instruments. We will then consider the remaining Scottish statutory instrument, which is subject to negative procedure.

In advance of the regulations being laid, the committee took evidence from the Scottish Fiscal Commission on 7 October and heard from stakeholders at a meeting on 16 December. Following those meetings and in advance of today’s discussion, the committee wrote to the Minister for Social Security and Local Government to seek further information. After our meeting on the budget on 13 January, we wrote to the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government and included in that letter some questions on the adult disability payment. We look forward to our discussion on these very important regulations.

I welcome to the meeting Ben Macpherson MSP, Minister for Social Security and Local Government. The minister is joined by Scottish Government officials. Today we have Kayleigh Blair and Camilo Arredondo, both solicitors for the Scottish Government. David Hilber is the team leader on case transfer policy and Nathan Gale is the team leader on disability benefits policy at the Scottish Government. Janet Richardson is the deputy director of client services delivery at Social Security Scotland. I invite the minister to make an opening statement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Go ahead.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you very much for that, Janet. It was very helpful. Minister—do you have anything to add? I know that Natalie Don would like to come back in with another question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you, minister. Pam Duncan-Glancy will explore some of the issues in theme 2.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

I am sorry if you can hear the dog barking outside the door. I do not know whether that is coming through BlueJeans.

As I am not seeing any members indicating that they wish to come in at this juncture, I will put a question to the minister.

It is clear that the regulations will herald a new benefit for disabled adults, which is a major change in social security in Scotland as well as being a change in how people are treated. To somebody who has personal and professional experience of the benefit system, that is really important.

Minister, would you like to round up this part of the meeting by explaining to the committee how you will measure the success or failure of the benefit and, vitally, how you will ensure that disabled people who are in receipt of the benefits will be involved in that evaluation?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

I have no further indication of anybody wishing to speak, so we will move on to item 4, which is the formal debate on the motion. I remind the committee that only members and the minister may take part in the formal debate. I invite the minister to move motion S6M-02604.

Motion moved,

That the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommends that the Disability Assistance for Working Age People (Scotland) Regulations 2022 [draft] be approved.—[Ben Macpherson]

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Miles Briggs, do you have a further question?