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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing to 2040

Meeting date: 20 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

We know that rent service Scotland and the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland housing and property chamber will consider comparable open-market data before making decisions on the rent increases that can be made. How reliable is that data in allowing rent officers and the tribunal to make those informed decisions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

When do you expect to have a firmer idea about tolerable risk?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

Yes, please. Mr Griffin has just picked up on the question that I was going to ask, but I have a follow-up question.

Minister, are you considering making provision for a profit threshold for SMEs? Has that been ruled out or is it not really on the radar?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

My colleague Mr Briggs has made some powerful points. The Grenfell tragedy involved a devastating loss of life that none of us will ever forget. The public were, rightly, horrified by it. However, last week, I found it reassuring that our witness Jim McGonigal said that the fire statistics for Scotland indicated that we do not have such a big problem here, in that only 1 per cent of fires spread. That is largely because of the really good work that has been done through coverage of the Scottish standards on fire alarms and other matters that have been brought in over the years. I absolutely do not mean to minimise either the need for the bill or the serious risks involving cladding, but are residents aware of, and do they understand, the existing protective measures? Are they reassured by them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

It would be great to hear further feedback on that. You have spoken about raised awareness among residents. However, sometimes there is a vocal group of them and perhaps another more removed group that is not quite as involved and perhaps does not have a full understanding. After we went out to visit flats in Edinburgh, I felt that, had I had news that there was similar cladding on my flat, I would have been quite panicked at the thought of it. It would be good to know a bit more about that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

Great. I look forward to that. Thank you for allowing me back in, convener.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

I thank you for coming along this morning, minister. I thank our other witnesses, too, of course.

There have been some issues with the single building assessment giving only a pass or fail, and lessons have been learned relating to PAS 9980 and intermediate risk. We have heard particular concerns from across all sectors that pass or fail scoring could lead to buildings that are not dangerous to life failing the assessment. What is your response to the calls for the single building assessment to recognise tolerable or medium risk?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

In evidence, we have heard calls for more detail in the bill on the responsible developers scheme. However, there has been a debate around that. Some say that the bill is too broad and relies too much on secondary legislation, which could come too slowly. Others state that the bill is too narrow and that it should be a framework bill, as long as the secondary legislation follows quickly. What are your reflections on that, minister? Might draft secondary legislation be available during parliamentary consideration of the bill?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

It is good to hear you highlighting that, including the point about talking to the developers in the first instance. I know that there have been issues around having to look at making changes to the primary legislation in England. Obviously, we do not want to be in that position.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 February 2024

Stephanie Callaghan

Although making provision for a profit threshold sounds like a nice, simple solution, perhaps the situation is a lot more nuanced than that and not as straightforward as it might seem.