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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Are you talking about having the mindset to deliver these things or having the volume of cash?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

David Thomson might want to listen to this question. You are talking about how retailers and the processors are looking for specific requirements from producers to have in their systems. Scope 3 emissions are absolutely going to be taken into account as the approach develops. We have had retailers at the committee saying that they are prepared and are already doing some retail risk share. If a farmer gets flooded out and loses 30 acres of tatties or neeps, they will pick up some of that share. That is not the same across the board. The risk is all on the farmer’s plate. If we are talking about having sustainable agriculture, farmers cannot carry all that load at all times. Is there an appetite among the retailers to say that they will support agriculture and that they need farmers to be there, so they will take on some of that risk? If there is not, should there be something in the bill that pushes them in that direction?

10:45  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Does that not allow supermarkets or big retailers to put pressure back on the farmer to achieve something for them? They are looking for market differentiation. That approach would load the burden back on to the farming community.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Convener, is it okay for me to continue?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Michael Gove gave a commitment some time ago that, on the basis of what you have just said, under no circumstances would agriculture be Barnettised. Do you have any concerns about that happening in the future?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

I am sorry, convener, but can I ask a question? Going on the premise of the points that Jonnie Hall has just made, is there not a danger that, if the UK Government does not ring fence the money, it could then Barnettise it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

On all the points that have been made, nobody will deny that we absolutely require the best animal welfare standards. We already have them, and our farming community does extensive work to ensure that there are the right welfare standards. However, I want to go back to the first thing that Joe Hind said, which was about what we define as quality food. It will be what the customer is prepared to pay for. I hate to bring money into the discussion when we are talking about animal welfare but ultimately, if you put a £10 steak and a £4 steak in front of a consumer who is facing a cost of living crisis, they will buy the £4 steak, by and large. They will do the same thing with milk: we have had programmes in which 10p extra went to the farmer. There was a litre of milk at £1.20 or one at £1.30, and consumers bought the one at £1.20 before the one at £1.30.

That is not to put a barrier in the way of anything; I am simply pointing out that we need to find the answer so that people who are cash-strapped are able to say that all those other things are important and are prepared to pay for them out of their pockets. I do not know how you do that in a bill. If anyone has any answers, I would be delighted to hear them.

09:45  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

It does. We have all talked about the need for scrutiny of how the Government spends money. If a farmer is meeting the standards that a supermarket such as Tesco or Marks and Spencer has told them are its requirements for supplying it, and the Government then says that that alone is acceptable, then there is no scrutiny other than that which is done by the supermarkets, so the Government would in fact be asking the supermarkets to be credit checkers. Do you see what I mean?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

So, you are saying that as long as one of those schemes is in place that should be sufficient.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Jim Fairlie

Good morning, convener. I have no interests to declare.