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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

NatureScot’s inclusion was part of the deer working group’s advice—that is who recommended it. I disagree that there would be a conflict of interest. This line of questioning makes it feel as though the purpose of the bill is to come in with a big stick—it is not; it is about our ability to work collaboratively.

There is no way that the Government, NatureScot or any other individual body will immediately be able to tackle the challenges of deer management on its own. It will have to be collaborative. There can be someone from NatureScot with particular expertise sitting on a panel, but they will not necessarily have to sit on every panel. In fact, I am not even sure how many panels we have at the moment. I think that one was set out in 2018 for a deer management group in lowland Scotland.

I do not see having expertise on a panel as a conflict of interest; I see it as enabling us to get the best decisions that we can on how to manage deer.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I think that you took part in last week’s members’ business debate on deer, during which that issue was raised. Things are happening. We have three pilot projects on the go—actually, that might be two on the go and one still to be done. Stuff is happening now in the pilot projects. One is being carried out on an island, the name of which Brodie Wilson will remind me of.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The advisory panels are there to give advice to local groups on how they will manage their deer.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

No. There will be a representative from NatureScot, but the panel will consist of other people, too.

Let us go back to the principle of what the proposal is about. The panel’s appointment must be cleared by a Government minister. The panel’s role is to have a conversation about how deer will be managed in any particular area. Having the expertise of somebody who is enveloped in that work on a daily, weekly or monthly basis can only be a good thing, because it allows the broadest area of expertise to be available when advice is given.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

You have used the one word that I think is really important in this, which is “trust”. We all have to be able to trust one another in what we are trying to achieve here. I go back to the point that I made to the convener, which is that NatureScot is a public body and it must act reasonably and with impartiality in carrying out its duties. The deer panels must also be approved by Scottish ministers.

It is not compulsory for NatureScot to have someone on a panel. It will have, however, if that person has expertise that is specific to what the panel is addressing.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

It is an advisory panel. NatureScot will give advice.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

NatureScot was an observer—it observed and did not contribute. It was not part of the panel and it did not take part in the discussions. It was not in the body of the kirk as part of the panel.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

It can speak, give advice and offer expertise.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The purpose behind its inclusion is to allow an extensive range of voices to be part of the conversation to try to find the best solutions. That is entirely what it is about.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

We all know what damage is and what restoration is. We can see things being restored and improvements starting to be made with regard to what people are looking to achieve with any individual parcel of land.