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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am genuinely not seeing the conflict here. The panel is advisory, NatureScot has to act reasonably and impartially in all its duties, and the panel must be approved by Scottish ministers. I do not see the issue being as dangerous to impartiality as other people think that it is. I just have a different opinion. I am sorry.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I cannot argue that off the top of my head, but if we cannot find the information just now, we will come back to the committee and give you any that we have on whether there is precedent for that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

There could be any number of circumstances. Currently, there has to be a three-year review; the bill proposes that it should be a 10-year review. Things could happen or change, and circumstances could require more immediate action to be taken, and that is why the provision was put in the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

It is purely to give that flexibility, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes, but if we could see into the future, we would pick six numbers and we would all be millionaires. The point that I am making is that the financial memorandum shows the potential worst-case scenario. We cannot say with any certainty what is actually going to happen. If I am taking what you called a very noble approach, I will take that as a compliment, so thank you very much. However, my approach is a result of the conversations that I have had with the sector. Everybody has a genuine desire to make this work. That is how I have approached the issue right from the start, and it is how I will continue to approach it.

We will try to get through the knotty bits, which we understand are there, and we will try to find resolutions to people’s issues. However, by and large, what the financial memorandum states is based on the potential worst-case scenario.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Again, no, I do not think that that would be appropriate at this stage. The code of practice will be worked out with stakeholders and the people it will be relevant to, and then we will bring it forward. We will not have the time to do it before we get to stage 3, but, as I have stated from the outset, it will absolutely be done in consultation with stakeholders, so that we get it right.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

If you put those things in primary legislation, they become primary legislation. We want them to be in the code of practice so that we have flexibility, because things might change, as we said earlier.

Putting the conditions into the bill will mean that they are put into primary legislation. I am dealing in the same way with another bill right now. If you set something out in legislation and then people want to change stuff later on because circumstances have changed, that is a whole different problem to deal with. Setting the conditions out in the code of practice gives us the flexibility to get it right.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

We will just have to work on making that relationship work better. Right now, all the evidence that I am seeing and all the engagement that I have had show that, by and large, there is a good working relationship between the deer management groups and NatureScot. There will, of course, be conflict—we cannot avoid having some disputes about certain areas—but, by and large, there is a general degree of trust that I hope that we will continue to build on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jim Fairlie

Again, that is a technical question, so I will ask George Burgess to respond.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Jim Fairlie

The co-design is working, convener. There may be individuals who are not getting what they want, but that goes back to my original statement: the purpose of ARIOB, the FAST group or any other discussions is not for individuals to say, “This is what I want the Government to do, now go and do it.” It is for stakeholders to give us as much information as they possibly can in order to allow us to consider how to fit those things into our budget and policy objectives and to ensure that we keep our communities resilient. I will look again at the issues that were raised at the committee’s session last week and think about whether I believe that the criticisms are justified. If I believe that they are, they will inform my thinking and the thinking of the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands as part of the co-development and co-design process.

We have made it crystal clear from the start that this will be done only if the farming community comes with us—and it is doing that. On numerous occasions when he was the president of the NFU Scotland, Martin Kennedy said, “You cannot do this unless the industry is coming with you.” I understand the frustration and that this is not all being done in one fell swoop, but if that were to happen, we would get it wrong. Therefore, we are doing this piece by piece, stage by stage and issue by issue, in order to try to get it right. As long as we continue to do that, we will get to the place where we need to be within our current constraints.