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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I completely understand the logic behind amendment 75, and I can see where the member wants to go with it but, rather than put that measure in the bill, would it not be better to leave to others the decision on where the marketing happens? The committee’s stage 1 report asked the Scottish Government

“to maximise its marketing expertise”.

We should allow the marketing to be done by the people who know how to do it, rather than the committee.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Either.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Will the member take an intervention?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

The amendment that you are talking about would impose a specific new approach. It has not been consulted on in any detail during the progress of this bill, and it raises a lot of complex issues that would require much more detailed consideration. This bill was never intended as a vehicle for a microchip database reform in the first place; it is not the place in which to do that. However, we are already working on getting the UK Government’s co-operation on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Again, I push back on the idea that we are simply having friendly chit-chats. I reiterate that we are restarting the monthly meetings between the Scottish Government and the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, which have been sorely missed, given the previous UK Administration’s reticence to engage. Those meetings are starting tomorrow—the new Government is engaging with us, which will allow us to take the UK system forward.

I reiterate that this is not the bill in which to introduce new legislation on microchipping. It is a bill on the welfare of dogs, and we are addressing the issues stage by stage. I think, therefore, that the amendments that we are discussing are not in the right place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

The amendments in this group concern the scope of the code of practice. Amendment 6 will make a minor clarification to avoid any unnecessary confusion about the scope of the code. The code should apply to all persons in the legal sense, whether individual people or legal entities such as companies and partnerships. The present wording, which includes the phrase “for people”, might be taken as restricting the meaning to natural persons only, so it is proposed that “for people” be removed to avoid any uncertainty.

Amendments 8, 18, 29 to 31, 35 and 37, which are in my name, will standardise the terminology that is used in the bill by making it refer to “transferring” a dog rather than the mix of terms that are currently included in the bill.

11:00  

Amendment 17 defines “transferring” as including

“selling, giving away, exchanging, bartering or arranging for the long term loan or long term fostering of a dog”.

That is an inclusive definition, so any arrangement that would in effect be a transfer of a dog would be caught by the code of practice. Again, that is aimed at preventing people from arguing that they are not covered by the code.

I move amendment 6.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am happy to have discussions with the member.

Amendment 64, by agreement, withdrawn.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Will the member take an intervention?

11:30  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I have nothing further to add.

Amendment 19 agreed to.

Amendments 20 to 26 moved—[Jim Fairlie]—and agreed to.