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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

Would you like to make your point now, too, Rachael?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I am, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I thank Rhoda Grant for the explanation of the purpose of her amendments. The intention of the bill as introduced is recognised in the policy memorandum, which states that the intention is

“to achieve behavioural change, without placing formal legal obligations on the parties involved”.

There is a long-standing convention that codes of practice made under the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act 2006 generally use the word “must”, when there is a directly enforceable legal requirement to do something, which will not be the case under the bill. Therefore, the Scottish Government’s view is that amendments 64, 67, 68 and 70 are unnecessary and potentially misleading. I do not support the amendments and I ask the member not to press them.

Amendment 54 leaves out section 12, which is the interpretation section of the bill, because the effect of my other amendments is that all the definitions are either no longer used or are moved to sit in the operational sections to which they relate.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

The amendments in my name remove the specific questions from the bill, as suggested by the committee at stage 1. The broad themes underlying the questions will continue to be listed as things that a prospective acquirer should consider before acquiring a dog. However, we fully understand and share Christine Grahame’s desire to have the code and certificate written in simple and straightforward language that is easy for the public to understand. I give an assurance now that that is what we expect to be produced.

The suggestion in Ariane Burgess’s amendment 1 that identifying a veterinary practice could be included within the proposed code of practice is a good one, but that sort of detail should be left to be employed by officials and stakeholders as the code is developed. Therefore, I ask her not to press that amendment.

I move amendment 19.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I absolutely agree. I like the proposal as well. I might even go so far as to say that it should be both the acquirer and the seller who are notified about who the vet is.

I agree with everything that Ariane Burgess is saying. However, I think that the matter should be in the code, as part of the overall package of what we are trying to deliver. I am not trying to stifle the proposal, and I am more than happy to meet her between stage 2 and stage 3 in order to clarify that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I have nothing to add, convener.

Amendment 32 agreed to.

Amendment 33 moved—[Jim Fairlie]—and agreed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I have nothing further to add, convener.

Amendment 34 agreed to.

Amendments 35 and 36 moved—[Jim Fairlie]—and agreed to.

Amendment 66 moved—[Rachael Hamilton].

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I thank Ariane Burgess for explaining the purpose of amendments 2 and 3. I cannot agree with the amendments, which I believe are unnecessary, because the Scottish Government’s intention is to develop the details and contents of the proposed certificate with stakeholders. Specifying items in the bill would restrict what can be decided in conjunction with the stakeholders, and including a reference to additional personal information on the certificate is considered unnecessary. That is the sort of detail that is best left to the further development of the code by officials and stakeholders. Therefore, I cannot support the amendments.

Rhoda Grant’s intervention demonstrates exactly why we should have these discussions when we are developing the code, rather than while we are sitting in the committee. I ask Ariane Burgess not to press amendment 2 and not to move amendment 3.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 18 September 2024

Jim Fairlie

I point out to Christine Grahame that we are leaving the same wording in the bill—it will be there.