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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

The public interest will be determined by the consultation process that NatureScot goes through with the people who are involved with a deer management plan or whatever it is that they are doing. Does that make sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I do not see that being a concern. There is definitely a difference between what lowland deer management will do and what upland and hill deer management will do, because there are deer management groups in those areas. Is the concern that deer management groups are being targeted as opposed to what is happening on low ground? We accept that there is a difference between the two areas.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Stalkers do not need any training at the moment—that answers the argument, as it shows that we really should be doing something. As I said in my previous answer, we will bring in the measures at stage 2, and we will consider the best way to manage those who have been stalking for 30 or 40 years and who are more than competent but who do not have a certificate that says so. We will then consider how to manage the transition, ensuring that everybody gets up to that fit and competent standard.

I absolutely take on board the point that you are making. Right now, stalkers do not need anything at all; they need only a gun licence.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

All that people will have to do is report it. It is not the case that someone will have committed an offence for shooting a stray deer. If someone shoots a deer and it turns out to be a farmed deer, all they will have to do is report it within five days—that is all that is required.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I think that QMS has more than enough on its plate in dealing with the products that it already deals with. Venison is a fairly unique product and should be marketed as such, and there is a lot that we can do that does not have to be done under the umbrella of QMS. It is also not something that we would need to legislate on. It is fine the way it is.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I am genuinely not seeing the conflict here. The panel is advisory, NatureScot has to act reasonably and impartially in all its duties, and the panel must be approved by Scottish ministers. I do not see the issue being as dangerous to impartiality as other people think that it is. I just have a different opinion. I am sorry.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

I cannot argue that off the top of my head, but if we cannot find the information just now, we will come back to the committee and give you any that we have on whether there is precedent for that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

There could be any number of circumstances. Currently, there has to be a three-year review; the bill proposes that it should be a 10-year review. Things could happen or change, and circumstances could require more immediate action to be taken, and that is why the provision was put in the bill.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

It is purely to give that flexibility, yes.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Jim Fairlie

Yes, but if we could see into the future, we would pick six numbers and we would all be millionaires. The point that I am making is that the financial memorandum shows the potential worst-case scenario. We cannot say with any certainty what is actually going to happen. If I am taking what you called a very noble approach, I will take that as a compliment, so thank you very much. However, my approach is a result of the conversations that I have had with the sector. Everybody has a genuine desire to make this work. That is how I have approached the issue right from the start, and it is how I will continue to approach it.

We will try to get through the knotty bits, which we understand are there, and we will try to find resolutions to people’s issues. However, by and large, what the financial memorandum states is based on the potential worst-case scenario.