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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

But the other assumption is that, if you move them, they will not lay any eggs.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

My apologies—I misunderstood you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

On the point that you have just made—I am speaking purely from a layman’s point of view—we heard earlier from Simon Macdonald about creel fishermen not having any effect at all on spawning. He seemed to be saying that noise was a big disturber of spawning fish. I will come back to that point later.

What research and data monitoring do we need in order to ensure that we have the proper evidence to protect the cod recovery measures? I know that that is a big question.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

To me, protecting the spawning is the same as protecting the fish from being caught. If the fish are being caught, they are not laying eggs, but if they are laying eggs and those eggs are being disturbed, the effect will be the same, surely.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

According to the evidence that we were given this morning, noise is a problem for fish that are laying eggs. If the fish do not lay the eggs, you do not get the young fish. It is a dual problem, as far as I can see.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

Okay, we will need to take some scientific evidence to make sure that we know what we are talking about here. I cannot get away from the fact that, if you get the eggs laid and the young fish hatch, they will be predated upon and we will get bycatch. I understand all that. However, if the cod move because of noise, all of that will not necessarily happen. If a bird lays an egg in a nest and gets disturbed, she leaves the eggs and the eggs do not hatch. Either way, you get the same level of loss, and I would like to get more evidence on what the reality of that is.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

In the future, how should we balance all the competing pressures relating to cod, creel and trawlers?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

Professor Heath, you said at the start that there is no way to mitigate predation. I think that you mentioned pulling the trigger on it. However, we heard an awful lot from the witnesses in our previous evidence session about predation by dogfish and various other species including seals. If 2 million young cod are being taken out by nephrops nets, are you saying that there is no way back for cod in the cod box?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

That is where I was going next. What do you suggest should be done? Picking up on what you said about the nephrops bycatch, if there are only 3.5 million fish in the cod box and those nets are taking out 2 million every year, that is a huge amount of fish. What do we do to protect the cod?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Jim Fairlie

I understand that, but, at the end of the day, what you are trying to do is produce more young fish. If, as we were told earlier, noise is a real problem in relation to allowing cod to settle, those cod will move. If they are moving, they are not laying eggs, which means that the eggs are not there in the first place and, therefore, you will not get young fish. The issue involves understanding whether the shift from catching to disturbance is really such a dichotomy, or whether both things are equally important.