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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

You raise the important point that the bill brings to the surface some of the fantastic work that is being done but is not documented, so people do not know about it. In effect, creating the plan will let us see where we are. There is a lot of conversation about how bad public procurement is in local authorities, but we might be doing a hell of a lot more than we realise, and the plans will bring that to the surface.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

That emphasises the point that I was trying to make, which is that some local authorities might be starting from a very low base and then we will have authorities such as East Ayrshire that are starting from a very high base. We cannot start the process for every local authority at the same point.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Good Food Nation (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

I have a little supplementary on that. George Burgess suggested that the electoral cycle would ensure that elected members would be held to account. That is not the case with health boards and I think that there is an issue there. It is difficult to hold health boards to account to ensure that their plans are right.

I go back to scrutiny. You suggested that we perhaps did not need a new body. Are you suggesting that local authorities could have an obligation to consult with other bodies? For example, on inequalities, you would go to a body, which could be Food Standards Scotland, to scrutinise how your plan addressed inequality? Does there need to be a requirement for local authorities to do that? Do all the bodies need to play a role?

Jayne Jones, I would like you to answer that question. It was something that you touched on.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

If I have time for one more quick question, I would like to know where we are on long Covid, in terms of our understanding of it, the effect that we are having on it and how we are treating it.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

That is exactly my point. I contest the view that The Sun article that quotes Professor Hugh Pennington is a fair way for the public to get that message, because they will hear “professor” and think, “He must know what he’s talking about,” but he is a professor of bacteriology.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

The point that I am making is on messaging. We get the daily figures from the Government on the number of infections, the number of deaths and the number of people in intensive care units. It is clear that we have a problem with backlogs in cancer diagnosis and cancer treatments. I have spoken at the committee before about the heartbreak of some of my constituents. In relation to Government messaging, what would be the effect of starting to publish every day how many people were diagnosed with cancer, how many people are diagnosed with heart disease, how many people had had a stroke and how many deaths were caused by each of those illnesses? Would that make people less concerned about approaching the NHS to get themselves checked? I hope that we will start to catch up on some of the latent disease that is clearly lying in the community.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

Thank you.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

Could I come in before you go to Professor Leitch? I do not dispute the fact that the Government has put that data out there, and I do not dispute that the Government has modes of allowing people to understand what is going on, but every day we talk about Covid deaths and hospitalisation. It is clear that that has created a behaviour in our society that says, “Covid—we must react to and deal with that.” We do not have the same level of reaction to cancer or any of the other diseases that kill people in large numbers every year in Scotland. My question is, do we need to change our behaviour to get the community to say, “This is as dangerous or more so than Covid”? It is about changing that message. If we presented daily figures and said, “This is the number of people who died of cancer today,” it might have the same effect.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

My colleague Alex Rowley has quoted Hugh Pennington twice. He is a highly regarded emeritus professor of bacteriology. We have had advice that improving ventilation in schools could be as easy as cracking open a door. If the Government was looking for advice on how to maximise the ability to keep ventilation right, would it go to a professor of bacteriology?

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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Ministerial Statement and Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 3 February 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am awfully glad that you clarified that prior point—I am probably more cautious than normal.