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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 June 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

The requirement in the EU was 200 consignments, but the SI is reducing it to 40 on the basis of the number of products that are coming in.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

My question is this. Robbie Marsland mentioned that Lord Bonomy gave an estimate of 20 per cent of foxes being killed by the pack. Last week, we had before the committee Ian Duncan Millar, from the highland Perthshire foot hound pack. These guys are not going out hunting; they are trying to control a predator that is damaging to all sorts of wildlife and farm animals. Ian Duncan Millar estimates that up to 95 per cent of the foxes are driven out and shot. A concern that I have always had is that, if you are driving to standing guns, there are not enough guns. The most important thing, when a fox gets driven out, is that there are enough guns outside.

Surely the loophole in the law is that not enough care has been taken about how a fox is dispatched once it has been driven from cover. Surely having enough guns is far more effective than trying to use two dogs. Again, I know from experience that two dogs in a very wide area will not necessarily flush the fox. They will go round in circles, because the fox—which I have huge respect for—is a very clever animal. The point is to get the fox out of cover in order to shoot it, so the number of guns would surely be more important than the number of dogs.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

I would like to offer a brief clarification on the point that Ariane Burgess made about a shepherd monitoring a field after losing a lamb. As a former shepherd-farmer, I can say that we would call that passing trade. If you get one lamb lifted, you can live with that; two, and it starts to become a problem; three, and there is an issue.

On alternative forms of control, I keep coming back to the pre-emptive strike of catching the problem before it occurs. There is lamping, snaring, den poisoning and the use of terriers and other dogs. Do you agree that every tool in the box should be available to ensure that there is the most welfare-efficient management of problem animals?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Thank you. We are short of time, but I am glad that we agree on that point.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

If the GB approach is continuing to prescribe a minimum number of consignments that must have been imported into GB for a product to qualify for a reduced frequency of checks, what is that minimum number of consignments?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

We have an acceptance across all the groups that a certain amount of wildlife control or predator control is a necessity for land managers, farmers and conservationists. We all accept that. If we are going to use dogs, all the evidence has shown us that the most effective way is to use an appropriate number of dogs, which is a full pack. Walked up, unmounted packs are a very effective way of getting foxes out of woodland and dense cover. To me, the number of guns seems to be the most important bit, as opposed to the number of dogs.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

It was just a flush to get a shot.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Are there any other ways in which the approach to determining the frequency of checks differs from that of the EU? For example, will the default frequency in GB continue to be 100 per cent unless a commodity qualifies for the lower frequency of checks?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Jim Fairlie

Let me clarify, then. Are you saying that the only way that a farmer should get a licence is if they document the losses that they are incurring every morning at lambing time—so they would have to go out and record how many lambs are being killed for an ear or a tail or for feeding a den? Would that be the requirement that you would rather see for a farmer to be able to get a licence to deal with a fox?