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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 June 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am enjoying this, convener.

Professor McCartney, I would like to come to you. You mentioned that the issue that we are looking at goes back to the austerity policies of 2008. Are there data or studies that would say how far back health inequalities go in Scotland? What I am trying to find out is whether it is only since the crash in 2008, or does the problem go back further and we are living with a chronic long-term problem.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

Good morning, and thank you for coming in. I have been sitting here listening last week and this week, and one of my questions is this: are we asking you the right questions for us to get to where we want to go? I think that you started to touch on that. Are we asking the right questions of the witnesses to enable us to get at what we are trying to work out, which is how we can get economically inactive people back into the workplace? Are we doing that?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

For my last question, I will ask you the same question as I asked the previous panel. Are we asking you the right questions to get to what we are trying to find out in the first place?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

I am glad that you mention that, because I am looking at some comments in, I think, Public Health Scotland’s submission. It says:

“Early evidence from the Glasgow City Region Intelligence Hub suggests the increase in retirement is due to lifestyle choices, ageist recruitment practices and changes in working practices. Socialising in the workplace”—

I go back to what was said about home working—

“was an element that kept people at work and due to the rise of home working, people have decided to leave the labour market.”

Given the need to get away from ageism and the importance of socialising in the workplace, do we need to rethink the ability or the requirement for people to work at home?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

Okay. I think that it was Pamela Smith who said that we have had chronic stress issues from 2008 onwards Where is that coming from? Is it because of economic problems? Is it because of austerity? Is it because of poverty? What is causing chronic stress?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

I was going to say that we have large numbers of people in work who are claiming benefits, so it is not about their being labour inactive, but about the quality of the life that they are living.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

You are the head of economy and poverty at Public Health Scotland. Are you talking just about the quality of data that we have in the health system? In my constituency we have 5,155 children living in poverty. That is clearly data at a granular level. Does Public Health Scotland have that level of data, which could be included in a whole-system approach?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

I have just an observation that will take two seconds, but Professor Sheikh will speak first then I will come back in.

10:00  

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

My next question is for Tom Waters—I think that is the name, but I have the wrong glasses on and I cannot see at distance.

One of the statistics in the IFS written submission is that long Covid is increasing the number of people who are in work but on sick leave, which leads to reduced hours. Do we know what the impact will be economically as a result of people who are still regarded as employed but who are not working to the same extent, or at all, because of long Covid?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Road to Recovery Inquiry

Meeting date: 10 November 2022

Jim Fairlie

Thank you. I just wanted to get that clarity on the record. Do I have time for another question?