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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 December 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I come back to Robbie Kernahan with an observation on the point that Ashley McCann just made in speaking about the “gravity” of the consequences. To my mind, the gravity of the consequences of raptor persecution and any other wildlife crime that falls within the bill is such that it would absolutely deter anyone from carrying out the crime in the first place. To me, that is the important part.

Ashley McCann says that the example of a general licence restriction is not comparable with the ability to limit the licence of a grouse moor manager. Robbie, are you confident that there are sufficient safeguards in NatureScot’s system that would allow you to make an informed decision, given the gravity of the consequences, based on your current system or how the bill is going to work?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Can I seek some clarification on that point, please?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

What is your view on the need for a code of practice for grouse moor management, and what would you like to see included in such a code? Does the bill provide enough clarity on that or is it about leaving some flexibility in the system for adaptive management? Robbie Kernahan, I will start with you on this one.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

My apologies—Jamie Whittle.

We have heard views from various stakeholders who believe that the bill may not be compliant with the European convention on human rights. What is your view on concerns raised by stakeholders that the provisions of the bill in relation to licensing may not be compliant—for example, due to potential disproportionate interference with property rights?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Will you write to the committee after the meeting to provide a view on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I was talking from the point of view of how we manage to control fires if they get out of hand and whether the licensing scheme will help with that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a quick observation. When we discuss muirburn, we keep talking about grouse moor management, but grouse moor managers are not the only people who manage muirburn. Farmers often do that, although my sheep farming friends may not thank me for raising this. What is the balance between fires that get out of control on grouse moors and fires that get out of control on sheep farms?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Are wildfires generally accidental and caused by things such as cigarettes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Thank you, convener—[Interruption.] Does Christine Grahame want to ask a question first?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

The question goes back to the severity of the crime and the potential repercussions for the person who holds the licence. I held a licence for raven control, which I had to apply for every year. It got to the point where it was a case of putting in the form and having that returned. I get that that might cause administrative issues for Robbie Kernahan’s organisation, but that process clarified in my mind that not having a licence would be breaking the law and that people had a duty to make sure that their licence was in place before they started to control something that was causing them a severe problem. I get that that might be slightly more onerous for NatureScot, but do the witnesses accept that annual licensing keeps people’s minds firmly on that fact?