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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
I completely understand the logic behind amendment 75, and I can see where the member wants to go with it but, rather than put that measure in the bill, would it not be better to leave to others the decision on where the marketing happens? The committee’s stage 1 report asked the Scottish Government
“to maximise its marketing expertise”.
We should allow the marketing to be done by the people who know how to do it, rather than the committee.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
Either.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
Will the member take an intervention?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
The amendment that you are talking about would impose a specific new approach. It has not been consulted on in any detail during the progress of this bill, and it raises a lot of complex issues that would require much more detailed consideration. This bill was never intended as a vehicle for a microchip database reform in the first place; it is not the place in which to do that. However, we are already working on getting the UK Government’s co-operation on that.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
Again, I push back on the idea that we are simply having friendly chit-chats. I reiterate that we are restarting the monthly meetings between the Scottish Government and the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, which have been sorely missed, given the previous UK Administration’s reticence to engage. Those meetings are starting tomorrow—the new Government is engaging with us, which will allow us to take the UK system forward.
I reiterate that this is not the bill in which to introduce new legislation on microchipping. It is a bill on the welfare of dogs, and we are addressing the issues stage by stage. I think, therefore, that the amendments that we are discussing are not in the right place.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
The amendments in this group concern the scope of the code of practice. Amendment 6 will make a minor clarification to avoid any unnecessary confusion about the scope of the code. The code should apply to all persons in the legal sense, whether individual people or legal entities such as companies and partnerships. The present wording, which includes the phrase “for people”, might be taken as restricting the meaning to natural persons only, so it is proposed that “for people” be removed to avoid any uncertainty.
Amendments 8, 18, 29 to 31, 35 and 37, which are in my name, will standardise the terminology that is used in the bill by making it refer to “transferring” a dog rather than the mix of terms that are currently included in the bill.
11:00Amendment 17 defines “transferring” as including
“selling, giving away, exchanging, bartering or arranging for the long term loan or long term fostering of a dog”.
That is an inclusive definition, so any arrangement that would in effect be a transfer of a dog would be caught by the code of practice. Again, that is aimed at preventing people from arguing that they are not covered by the code.
I move amendment 6.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
I am happy to have discussions with the member.
Amendment 64, by agreement, withdrawn.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
Will the member take an intervention?
11:30Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
I have nothing further to add.
Amendment 19 agreed to.
Amendments 20 to 26 moved—[Jim Fairlie]—and agreed to.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 18 September 2024
Jim Fairlie
Amendments 32, 33 and 36 follow the committee’s recommendation at stage 1 to ensure that the provision relating to the requirement to see a dog with its mother is worded consistently with the Animal Welfare (Licensing of Activities Involving Animals) (Scotland) Regulations 2021. That covers circumstances in which a dog may be separated from its biological mother for welfare reasons or if the mother is deceased. The Scottish Government agrees with the committee and the Law Society of Scotland’s suggestion that responsibility for confirming that a dog is at least eight weeks old should be placed on both the acquirer and the supplier of the dog.
Since 2018, Scottish Government campaigns have consistently reinforced to prospective purchasers the importance of seeing a puppy with its mother, ideally at the breeder’s or seller’s premises, as well as verifying the age of the dog. Amendments 39 to 44 will place the relevant responsibility on the prospective supplier as well as on the prospective acquirer of the dog.
Finlay Carson’s amendment 69 would have the same effect as my amendments 39 to 44. I therefore ask him not to move it.
I move amendment 32.