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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I just plucked that figure off the top of my head. As somebody who used to receive calf payments, I would say that, if we are to reduce the number of cows as we are being told, that would be the only way to do it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

My apologies. I have taken up too much time already.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to follow up the point that you made about tier 1 and tier 2 support. I think that we would recognise that there are opportunities to tackle the issues with climate change, biodiversity loss and all the rest of it, but we have to be able to farm viably. I have a concern—you might or might not be able to allay it—that in the proposals that we are considering, we are trying to do too much with a single pot of money, which will have to stretch much further than it needs to. Is that a genuine concern or can we manage that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to pursue that a little bit further, Ross. As someone who used to graze hill cattle, I am absolutely in favour of ensuring that we have coos on the hill. I used to get LFASS support, and I just want to put it on record that I would much rather have seen much bigger payments. If LFASS support is to be increased to encourage low-intensity cattle farming, is any consideration also being given to maintaining critical mass so that we have the numbers of calves needed to keep the industry working? I keep on asking that question, but it keeps getting skipped over. One cannot survive without the other.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

The farming community absolutely accepts that it has a massive role to play in this—nobody denies that. However, it seems to me that, given the scale of the challenges that we face, the things that the farming community will do within the confines of the funding that will be available to them will not be nearly enough. You talked about private equity coming into the landscape-style approach and the gains that we have to make. Is there a need to shift some of the focus away from the funding for agriculture and look at how we will do it on a much bigger scale?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have a wee supplementary question in this section.

You talked about research on soil, and I will find more out about the stuff that you have been looking at. I echo my colleagues in saying that this has been a fascinating evidence session.

Farmers will take up whatever we ask them to, if they believe and trust in it, but we hear a lot from the farming community that different science with different requirements is being thrown at them. How do we get a set of scientific data that farmers can put their trust in and buy into so that we achieve these outcomes?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

You mentioned whether supermarkets should put a premium on that type of food. We have been down that road before. Generally, these things are brought in as incentives, but they become sticks to beat people with at a later date. Given that we are in a cost of living crisis, people will not be able to afford to pay that premium, so that funding will have to come from different sources, will it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I return to what Ross Lilley said about dovetailing. Like Rachael Hamilton, I like that analogy. As we heard from Martin Kennedy last week, we must remember that the bill that we are scrutinising and talking about today is an agriculture bill. It is there to support agriculture to produce food and to create resilience in the food system. Does it seem to you that we are trying to do too much with one bill and with a limited pot of money?

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 15 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Does that not highlight the complexity of the situation? We are trying to get farmers to buy in to woodland creation and to have timber as part of their ability to make a living off the land, but that will contribute to a decrease in the number of wading birds. If we are going to do that properly, we do not want wholesale hill planting; we want that to be done in stands that will create shelter belts and environments for wildlife, but the same environment will create a breeding ground for predators that will wipe out the ground nesters.