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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In what sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I apologise.

Jonnie, you said that farmers in England are taking a step back. Given the amount of support that is required to keep farming in Scotland viable, how do farmers take a step back if they do not like the policy?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

In effect, then, what you are saying is that, for the whole supply chain to work, you cannot try to find a solution for each individual bit—you have to look at the whole system that is in place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

We have roamed about on this issue, but I want to go back to the opportunities for the food and drink sector that you touched on in response to Ariane Burgess.

With regard to farmers’ ability to diversify, the CCC said last week that we needed to reduce numbers and all the rest of it, and, in that respect, I am very glad that you have mentioned critical mass, because that is the bit that I want to talk about. What if, for instance, we decided to say, “Right, we’re going to pay £1,000 for every calf that’s born on a hill, but you need to reduce the numbers of suckler cows that you produce by 20 or 30 per cent”? What would be the net effect of targeting just one specific problem in that way?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

You also said earlier, however, that we cannot face a cliff edge, so we need to do this gradually and fit it in—you and I know that farmers are not the quickest to respond to the things that we are trying to get done. Is there a balance between making sure that we are not facing that cliff edge but, at the same time, allowing farmers to adopt the practices?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I have one very quick supplementary on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I would like to ask about the opportunities in the future rural policy to improve farm incomes and competitiveness. I am bearing in mind one of the things that you said earlier about consumers being squeezed at one end and farmers being squeezed at the other, with a big chunk in the middle. Can the policy affect that? Is the policy a vehicle to do that, or do we need to get the supermarkets in this room to ask them how they are going to pay more to farmers and charge less to consumers?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

You touched on two things earlier: one was the cost of producing broccoli in Fife and the other was about berries. In my area, in Perthshire, a long-established berry farm has simply pulled the berries out of the ground—we are talking about blueberries here; a high-quality food, a super food. At the moment, it seems that we are undermining the ability of these unsupported sections of the industry to be able to produce the kinds of food that we want our population to eat, while, at the same time, producers are being squeezed, either through labour shortages as a result of Brexit or through the power of supermarkets to bring produce in more cheaply from Peru, for example, which means that the price that our producers will get is so low that it is no longer sustainable.

That comes back to a point that I made earlier. Although we are trying to do many things with this bill, we are missing some areas. We are focusing on this bill but we are missing areas where we should be doing a lot more for the country and for our producers because of stuff that is effectively outside our control.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

Welcome to the committee, Jonnie.

Before I turn to the opportunities for the farming community from policy reform, I want to ask about your survey. You said that the highest level of anxiety was about future support. The Scottish Government has said:

“no matter what Westminster does the Government in Scotland will maintain direct payments and support our nation’s producers.”—[Official Report, 15 March 2023; c 25.]

I would like to reflect on that. Do you have concerns about what future funding will look like? Ultimately, if, whatever policy we deliver, there is security of funding for future payments, where is the anxiety coming from? Is it the lack of certainty about future payments, is it the lack of direction from the Scottish Government, or is it both?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 22 March 2023

Jim Fairlie

I said earlier that I think that the policy is going in exactly the right direction at the moment. I think that the consultations will iron out all those points. Other people are saying that we are going in the wrong direction, for this, that and the other reason. Do you feel that we are in a relatively good place to steer the bill to where it needs to be?