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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

I find it strange that we are talking about Irish agriculture when the Irish are predicting a cull of 200,000 cows.

Cabinet secretary, will you give us your expectations regarding the future of agricultural funding support schemes in the longer term? Do you have long-term security of funding from the United Kingdom Government, given that it is the source of 96.4 per cent of the funding that comes to agriculture in Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

Does it not concern you that you do not know why agriculture has been lumped in, given the fact that the funding that goes to it is almost double what it would be under a Barnettised system? I know that I keep going back to the Barnettised system, but that is generally how cash is generated other than through the block grant. Does it not concern you that there has been no explanation of why that was the UK Government’s approach?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. The summit that Rishi Sunak held in 10 Downing Street was very welcome. The UK Government seems to have had a change of direction on farm to fork. However, I was incredibly disappointed that you were not invited to that event, cabinet secretary, given that we are supposed to have a four-nations approach. Was any reason given for why you should not have been at a discussion at a UK level on what was going to happen with the farm industries across the UK?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

On a point of order, convener. My colleague Alasdair Allan raised a point of order with you earlier on, which you did not seem to have answered, about whether your language—when you accused the minister and her official of being hypocrites—was appropriate. The cabinet secretary has been extremely generous with her time in coming to this committee on multiple occasions.

I would also like to ask you these questions: have we, as a committee, written to the secretary of state for agriculture in Westminster? Have we had a response to that request for her to appear here? If so, what was that response?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

Can I clarify? We have written to the secretary of state—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

Good morning, cabinet secretary. I want to go back a wee stage to how conditionality will be implemented, which the convener talked about. For folk who may not be as au fait with how the system works, framework bills and legislation, if something is set out on the face of a framework bill, that will become an act. However, there might be scope later to bring in stuff to help to achieve the objectives. Is that why the details and the conditionality have to wait until later? Does that make sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

So, if we put everything right at the start, it would be fixed, and primary legislation would have to be amended in order to change anything as things developed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

I presume that you are taking views from across the country.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

Okay. In a previous Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee meeting, Jonnie Hall of NFU Scotland said:

“If we took an ELMS-type approach in Scotland and we phased out direct support and things such as less favoured area support for our more disadvantaged areas, that would be almost the death knell for Scottish agriculture.”—[Official Report, Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee, 16 December 2021; c 9.]

If we wanted to adopt a different policy and we had a different scheme in Scotland to support less favoured areas, could the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 present an issue for the funding that comes to Scotland?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Remit

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Jim Fairlie

No, I am not actually clear on what your response was.

10:43 Meeting suspended.  

10:44 On resuming—