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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Recovery of NHS Dental Services

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I welcome our second panel to the meeting: Adelle McElrath, interim director of dentistry and dental practice adviser at NHS Borders; Antony Visocchi, director of dentistry at NHS Shetland; and Dr Declan Gilmore, director of dentistry at NHS Tayside. Thank you for giving us your time this morning on Zoom.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

It is about the numbers and the extent of use of different wildlife traps in Scotland and their overall impact on biodiversity. What is your view on the suggestion that licensing should be supported by statutory reporting? In other words, if you set 100 traps, you have to say where those 100 traps are, what you have caught in them and how many animals are killed each year.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

I want to touch on the understanding of the extent of use of different wildlife traps in Scotland and what the overall impact is on animal welfare and biodiversity. What is your view on the suggestion that licensing should be supported by statutory reporting in order to increase transparency and enable a better understanding of the impacts? I will direct that first to Alex Hogg.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Perhaps so that NatureScot has an understanding of what the picture is throughout Scotland.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Professor Werritty, coming back to the point that you made, the discussion has focused very narrowly on licensing grouse moors, and clearly your report goes much wider than that. I think that you considered at some point the power to impose fines on grouse moor managers in the same way as the Scottish Environment Protection Agency would have the ability to impose fines. Was that in addition to licensing or was it a separate thing? Are they two different things, or did you think that both of them would work together?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

You have definitely added more questions than answers, that is for sure.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Can I put one further example that has been put to me? As a former sheep farmer, I may have had the desire to shoot a white-tailed eagle because it was lifting lambs. I would be fined and possibly imprisoned, and I would face the full force of the law, whatever that happened to be, but I would not be stopped from farming sheep. If I am a grouse moor manager and I do something and the licence is removed, I am effectively stopped from carrying out my way of making a living. Would that issue fall under the ECHR?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Yes. Professor Werritty, are you aware of any concerns that have been raised by stakeholders that the provisions in the bill on licensing may not be compliant with the ECHR, for example, due the potential of disproportionate interference with property rights?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Let us presume that the hoops are dead easy, you just apply for the licence and you get it. I think that you were suggesting that a heavy-handed NatureScot person could impose certain restrictions. At what point does that breach ECHR?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2023

Jim Fairlie

Correct me if I am wrong—I may be misinterpreting or misunderstanding you—but, if you were going to fine somebody because they had done something on the grouse moor or on the land that would be subject to a fine, you would need a burden of proof to do that.