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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Ben Macpherson wants to come in.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will stick with the issue of MAT standards, which we have touched on throughout the meeting. The SPS recovery strategy states that the MAT standards will be fully implemented by April 2026, in about a year’s time. Obviously, we are in a difficult situation at the moment with regard to the prison population and the complexities to do with the fact that different, more toxic substances are finding their way into prison.

I will bring in Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder to give us a bit of a progress update on the MAT standards and the work towards their being implemented by that date next year. I will also invite John Mooney to make a general comment about where we are overall with MAT standards in the prison context and aspects of that that we might not have covered.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that—that was fascinating.

John, do you want to add anything on MAT standards and whether they are still meeting the needs of the work that is done in prisons?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona, did you want to ask a follow-up question on that before I bring in Katy Clark?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Are you saying that there are other centres that could replicate the work that the research centre at Dundee university is doing?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

Kirsten Horsburgh, you have been at the committee previously and have shared very helpful information, so I will hand over to you, particularly with regard to what is coming into prisons.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I would like to go back to a point that was made about the close working relationship between the Scottish Prison Service and the University of Dundee, particularly the Leverhulme research centre for forensic science, which is based at the university. The SPS submission refers to the University of Dundee providing valuable insights into the extent and nature of the illicit drugs that are being used in prisons.

I do not need to tell anyone about the financial situation that Dundee university is facing, and I do not expect you to comment on that. However, given the value of the work that the university does in conjunction with the Prison Service, how much of an impact might any change in that arrangement have on the work that you are doing on tackling drug harm in the Scottish Prison Service estate?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

A very good morning, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies. Fulton MacGregor is running slightly late due to train issues, but he will join us shortly.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private item 4, which is our review of today’s evidence. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor, I want to pick up on the question about the impact on staff of caring for people who are living with drug harm. To what extent are overcrowding and the stubbornly high prison population making that situation more complicated or difficult, not just for prison officers but for other staff who work in prisons, particularly those who support people who are impacted by drug harm?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I have a follow-up, which Kirsten Horsburgh can perhaps come in on. This is a big question: are the MAT standards still relevant? I am not suggesting that they are irrelevant, but are they still relevant, given where things have shifted to and how they are shifting, particularly in the context of drug use or drug harm in prison? Is there anything that you want to add on how effective the MAT standards still are?