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Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That is a helpful reminder and a valuable point.
Thank you all very much. As members and witnesses have no further questions or comments, I will bring the public part of the meeting to a close.
12:01 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
In reference to the case review panel provisions, you point out in your submission that the explanatory notes state:
“The intention is that this”
—the panel function—
“will be a role performed by people who have valuable insights to offer but who will be able to do this alongside their everyday lives and work.”
Given what we are looking at and the nature of a review, do you think that that is appropriate?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies for the meeting. Pauline McNeill is joining us online.
Our first item of business is to continue our stage 1 scrutiny of the Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill. I am very pleased that we are joined this morning by Fiona Drouet, the founder and chief executive officer of EmilyTest, and by Marsha Scott, the chief executive of Scottish Women’s Aid, who is online.
Welcome to both of you, and thank you for taking the time to attend today’s meeting and for both of your submissions, which are much appreciated. I also extend our thanks to you, Fiona, for your very personal and powerful submission, which reflected your commitment to improving the system around domestic homicide reviews.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for this evidence session.
I will start by asking a general opening question, and I will come to Fiona first and then bring in Marsha. As you know, the second part of the bill sets up a system of abusive domestic behaviour reviews, and I understand that both of you are supportive of that. Could you elaborate on why that is? Could you also set out whether you have any particular changes that you want to propose to improve the bill?
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I never like interjecting, but you have covered very well a lot of the points that are set out in your written submission, and I know that members will probe a wee bit more on those—and on others, I am sure.
I open the discussion to members.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That was a very insightful piece of commentary, and we are grateful to you for it.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That brings this session to an end. Thank you very much, Marsha, as ever; and thank you, Fiona—your evidence has been invaluable to us.
10:48 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I do not think that any other members want to come back in. I have a couple of questions as we come to the end of the meeting.
My first question relates to a point that was made in the previous evidence session about the publication of reports following a review process. Fiona Drouet offered some words of caution about the publication of reports, specifically with regard to the potential impact on families, and Katy Clark brought up the suggestion of redacting reports. There is almost a duty of care in that regard. I am interested in hearing your views on that.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
It is a tricky balance to achieve, I guess.
We will move on to part 1 of the bill in a moment. First, does anyone want to come back in?
10:30Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will pick up on a final point on part 2 of the bill, and then members will ask questions on part 1.
Marsha, you touch on part 1 in your submission, but my final question on part 2 is around training for members of the review oversight committee and/or for panel members. My thinking is that training would be appropriate for panel members in particular, but I am interested in hearing your thoughts on that proposal. I ask Fiona to answer first, and then Marsha.
Criminal Justice Committee
Meeting date: 5 February 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Did you want to come in, Marsha Scott?