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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 April 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I invite Katy Clark to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 67.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies.

Item 1 is consideration of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. I ask members to refer to their copy of the bill, the marshalled list of amendments and the groupings.

I welcome to the meeting Angela Constance, Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, and her officials. We will also be joined at various points by the Minister for Victims and Community Safety, and officials will swap round at various times. I remind the officials that they are here to assist the cabinet secretary during the stage 2 debate. They are not permitted to participate in the debate. For that reason, members should not direct any questions to them.

I also welcome to the meeting other members of the Parliament who are here to speak to their amendments. Russell Findlay should be joining us. We have Jamie Greene here, and we will have Pam Gosal and Maggie Chapman.

I will stop at various points to allow for a short break in proceedings.

Section 1—Victims and Witnesses Commissioner for Scotland

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Unless any member objects, I will put a single question on amendments 173 to 178.

As no member has objected, the question is, that amendments 173 to 178 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I am afraid not.

The question is, that amendment 173 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

There will be a division.

For

Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP))

Abstentions

Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

There will be a division.

For

Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP))

Abstentions

Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

There will be a division.

For

Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP))

Abstentions

Clark, Katy (West Scotland) (Lab)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I call Russell Findlay to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 78.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That takes us to the next group. Given that it is spot on 11 o’clock, I propose that we have a short suspension of around 10 minutes to allow for a comfort break.

11:00 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will draw proceedings to a close, but I want to say a couple of things before I do so. I am conscious that group 10, which we had hoped to get to today, contains several very important amendments of great interest to victims. Maggie Chapman and Pam Gosal were here to speak to the amendments, but I do not want to curtail our ability to have a good debate on those important issues.

As this has already been quite a long meeting, I propose to finish at this point this morning. We will begin next week’s meeting with the group on non-harassment orders, and Pam Gosal and Maggie Chapman will join us then. I hope that members are content with that proposal.

We will pause stage 2 proceedings at this point and resume consideration of amendments at our next meeting on Wednesday, 19 March. I thank the cabinet secretary, the minister and their officials for attending this morning.

Meeting closed at 13:21.