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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We have carried out our crime prevention duty for the day. [Laughter.]
I will stay with David Keenan, and I might bring in Chris Ulliott. I made a point earlier about the emotional impact, particularly on your workforce, David, of the entire disruption, and not just on the service that you offer through your business. Was there a feeling across your staff body of being targeted, or of being a little bit vulnerable?
I am very interested in how being attacked in such a hard way impacted your workforce. It is something that we perhaps overlook—we talk about our older population and protecting young people but I am interested in how such attacks impact people who work in an organisation, including, for that matter, Marks and Spencer.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That is really helpful scene setting. We have two representatives with us who have been at the sharp end of cybercrime: Mr Keenan and Chris Ulliott. Before I open up to members’ questions, I will bring both of them in. I am not necessarily asking you to talk about the detail of what happened, but I am interested in the impact on your respective organisations of being targeted.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Liam Kerr has a follow-up question to one of Ben Macpherson’s questions.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
That is fascinating. Thank you.
11:00Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Does Miles Bonfield want to come in on that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Rona Mackay, do you want to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that. There was a lot in there.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Would Nicola Taylor like to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Nicola, would you like to come in?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We have a little bit of time in hand, so I will come in with a couple of questions on issues that we have already touched on. I am happy for other members to come in with final questions, too.
11:45My question is about European Union co-operation. Coincidentally, last month, the committee heard evidence from academics on criminal justice co-operation with the European Union. We were told that access to the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity would be
“relevant to co-ordinating cybersecurity positions and highlighting new cybersecurity threats that have emerged.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 30 April 2025; c 7.]
Is the loss of access to Europol or the European Union Agency for Cybersecurity and to their databases impacting on or hampering our effectiveness in the UK in tackling cybercrime? Given that we are in the middle of the trade and co-operation agreement review, should anything be raised or discussed to address gaps in criminal justice co-operation, particularly in the cybercrime space that we have been discussing?