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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
The correspondence from the minister outlines an update on secure accommodation contingency planning and ensuring capacity, and details some of the work. You are right that that is one of the key areas for this committee—we should be provided with updates and follow the developments.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We will draw the session to a close there. We have gone just a little bit over time; I am sure that we could spend another hour throwing questions at the witnesses. The session has been very interesting, and we are grateful to you all for your time. I thank you all for joining us this morning.
I suspend the meeting for 10 minutes.
12:08 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Yes—it is a very difficult one.
I see that Miles Bonfield wants to come in.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Does David Keenan want to add anything?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Before we move into private session, I remind members that our next meeting will be on Wednesday 21 May and our main item of business will be to hear from a public petitioner, alongside other witnesses, on the issue of making non-fatal strangulation a standalone criminal offence in Scotland.
12:27 Meeting continued in private until 12:56.Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Stuart, your police officers deal with victims every day. Are officers perhaps given some support, or even training, on how to interact with victims of cybercrime, and the advice and support that officers can offer them in the aftermath?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will come back to you.
I have a follow-up question. Jude McCorry, your submission referred to EU-UK co-operation and to organisations facing
“budgetary pressure or geo-political changes and challenges to keep supporting their own entities.”
Do you want to say more about the issue of co-operation?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Got you. Thank you.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that—I have made a note of it.
I propose that we seek further information from the minister—which may be forthcoming in any case—on the points that we have covered: whether what is being proposed will be sufficient accommodation; clarity on capacity and reform of the contractual model; what happens when capacity is reached and what the arrangement is for that; and, as Liam Kerr said, the impact of restoring capacity at St Mary’s, taking into account the four beds at Rossie, set against the 90 per cent capacity requirement.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 14 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I know that we are just slightly over time, but we will probably not have the opportunity to have such a large amount of expertise in the room again, so I will shamelessly take advantage of that.
I have a final question, about ransomware; Pauline McNeill touched on that a moment ago. For a business, what are the pros and cons of paying a ransom versus not paying it? I note that David Keenan’s business presumably had to ask itself that question—you may not wish to pick up on that, David. Nevertheless, are there things that businesses need to consider in dealing with that awful dilemma?