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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you very much, chief constable—that is very helpful. I will open up questions to members. As usual, I will come in with the first question, which is about capital funding.

In your comprehensive submission, you indicate that you require capital funding of £83 million to deliver your basic rolling replacement programme of things such as fleet, systems and equipment. You also set out that, in the longer term—up to 2029—you will require capital investment of around £565 million. You explain how investing in areas such as new technologies, improved working conditions and better equipment leads to more efficiency in the service, particularly from the point of view of delivery to the public. In other words, there is a spend-to-save benefit. Could you provide a bit more detail on what those benefits would be and what the impact would be of not receiving the increased capital investment that you have set out?

Criminal Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning and welcome to the 32nd meeting of the Criminal Justice Committee in 2024. We have no apologies today.

Our first agenda item is to welcome Liam Kerr as a new member and to invite him to declare any interests relevant to the work of the Criminal Justice Committee.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I am sorry to interrupt, but is that £22.5 million the current figure per annum?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is very helpful.

We are up to time, but I know that some members wish to ask supplementary questions. If the chief constable and the other witnesses have a little bit of flexibility, it would be helpful if we could continue for another 10 minutes or so.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thanks. Earlier, we discussed the benefits of multiyear settlements and, in your submission, you advocate for a multiyear settlement approach. Can you outline to the committee the impact of not having multiyear budgets? You spoke about annual budgets and the challenges that they present. What are the main factors that make multiyear funding more advantageous?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I presume that any budget requirement for that would be factored into your conversations.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Time is up. Before I suspend the meeting, I thank Martyn Evans for his contribution to the committee’s work. I know that retirement calls—not imminently, but perhaps at the turn of the year, and this might well be your final appearance before us. We are very grateful for the contributions that you have made during this parliamentary session. On behalf of committee members, I wish you well in your retirement, whatever you end up doing, which I am sure will not just be sitting around. Thank you very much for your service.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is really interesting. Pauline McNeill has the next question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 30 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Out of interest, you also spoke about outsourcing services elsewhere. In an ideal world, would you prefer not to have to do that if you had the capacity in-house, so to speak?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 October 2024

Audrey Nicoll

We have to move on. The next item of business is consideration of the motion to approve the affirmative SSI on which we have taken oral evidence. I invite the cabinet secretary to make any brief additional comments that she would like to make and move motion S6M-14590.