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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I am sorry to interrupt, Sharon, but I certainly think that the committee will pick up on that point. I sense that there might be correspondence from the committee on that. Liam Kerr has picked up a very important point there.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Okay; over to Katy Clark.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Sharon Dowey and Pauline McNeill have a couple of supplementaries to Liam Kerr’s questions.
10:30Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I am sure that we will come back to the issue later. We will move on, if you do not mind.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
John Mooney, do you want to come in on that?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you for that helpful clarification.
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
John Mooney, I do not want you to feel left out with regard to the opening question. Perhaps you can pick up on the point that Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder made about the fact that what we are seeing with regard to drug harm and drug use in prisons is almost a reflection of what is going on in communities. Are you picking that up in a lot of the work that is being done to track trends and the types of substances that are coming into the system?
10:15Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Under our main agenda item, we will begin to take evidence as part of our new inquiry into the harm that is caused by substance misuse in Scottish prisons. The purpose of the initial session is to tease out some of the main issues that we will want to explore more fully during our inquiry.
I am pleased that we are joined by a panel of witnesses who will help to get us started. I welcome Detective Chief Superintendent Raymond Higgins of Police Scotland; John Mooney, consultant in public health, Public Health Scotland; Kirsten Horsburgh, chief executive officer, Scottish Drugs Forum; and, from the Scottish Prison Service, Stephen Coyle, head of operational delivery, and Suzy Calder, head of health and wellbeing. You are all very welcome.
I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and I thank those witnesses who provided a written submission in advance of today’s evidence session. I intend to allow up to two hours for the session. I will start with an opening question, which I will put first to Stephen Coyle, then to Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins and then to Kirsten Horsburgh.
Will you give the committee a general idea of the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons at the moment, including what type of drugs are being used, how they enter prisons, what efforts are made to prevent that and whether that picture has changed in recent years or is changing now? Is it improving or is it getting worse?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you.
Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, as we know, Police Scotland and the SPS work closely together, in particular on intelligence and information sharing. My question was about the prevalence of drugs and drug use in prisons and the types of substances. What can you add, from your perspective, to the updates from Stephen Coyle and Suzy Calder?
Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 May 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor, I want to pick up on the question about the impact on staff of caring for people who are living with drug harm. To what extent are overcrowding and the stubbornly high prison population making that situation more complicated or difficult, not just for prison officers but for other staff who work in prisons, particularly those who support people who are impacted by drug harm?