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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Yes, absolutely. Does anyone else want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Secure Accommodation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is a good point to raise. Although there is an update on capacity at Rossie, what is it in addition to, and how does it affect the overall figures? I have made a note on the reform of the contractual model too—thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Stuart, your police officers deal with victims every day. Are officers perhaps given some support, or even training, on how to interact with victims of cybercrime, and the advice and support that officers can offer them in the aftermath?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will come back to you.

I have a follow-up question. Jude McCorry, your submission referred to EU-UK co-operation and to organisations facing

“budgetary pressure or geo-political changes and challenges to keep supporting their own entities.”

Do you want to say more about the issue of co-operation?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Got you. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Secure Accommodation

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that—I have made a note of it.

I propose that we seek further information from the minister—which may be forthcoming in any case—on the points that we have covered: whether what is being proposed will be sufficient accommodation; clarity on capacity and reform of the contractual model; what happens when capacity is reached and what the arrangement is for that; and, as Liam Kerr said, the impact of restoring capacity at St Mary’s, taking into account the four beds at Rossie, set against the 90 per cent capacity requirement.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I know that we are just slightly over time, but we will probably not have the opportunity to have such a large amount of expertise in the room again, so I will shamelessly take advantage of that.

I have a final question, about ransomware; Pauline McNeill touched on that a moment ago. For a business, what are the pros and cons of paying a ransom versus not paying it? I note that David Keenan’s business presumably had to ask itself that question—you may not wish to pick up on that, David. Nevertheless, are there things that businesses need to consider in dealing with that awful dilemma?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We have carried out our crime prevention duty for the day. [Laughter.]

I will stay with David Keenan, and I might bring in Chris Ulliott. I made a point earlier about the emotional impact, particularly on your workforce, David, of the entire disruption, and not just on the service that you offer through your business. Was there a feeling across your staff body of being targeted, or of being a little bit vulnerable?

I am very interested in how being attacked in such a hard way impacted your workforce. It is something that we perhaps overlook—we talk about our older population and protecting young people but I am interested in how such attacks impact people who work in an organisation, including, for that matter, Marks and Spencer.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful scene setting. We have two representatives with us who have been at the sharp end of cybercrime: Mr Keenan and Chris Ulliott. Before I open up to members’ questions, I will bring both of them in. I am not necessarily asking you to talk about the detail of what happened, but I am interested in the impact on your respective organisations of being targeted.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Cybercrime

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Liam Kerr has a follow-up question to one of Ben Macpherson’s questions.