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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. The issue of waiting times was certainly raised as a challenge by the previous panel, and I presume that that has been made slightly more acute because of the pressures on the prison estate with regard to the population. However, we will probably come back to that.

At this point, I will bring in Catriona Connell.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. It was really helpful.

I will bring in Pauline McNeill in a second, but before I do so, I want to come back to Craig Sayers and his opening remarks about the TOM, the monitoring of it and delivery against it. In the quite significant evidence that we have received from the Scottish Recovery Consortium, it comments on alcohol harm as well as drug harm and makes a recommendation in relation to

“Alcohol Use and Treatment Gaps”,

saying:

“The recommendation for a rapid review of alcohol services”—

which it also refers to in its evidence—

“is particularly relevant given the high prevalence of alcohol-related harm in prison populations. The Committee’s inquiry into substance misuse should consider alcohol alongside illicit drugs when assessing treatment capacity and service design.”

Is there any response that you would care to make to that, just in the context of what is already happening?

11:30  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. Do you want to come back in, Rona?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I want to ask a little bit about your views on the Prison Service’s alcohol and drugs strategy, which I do not think that we have covered yet—I might have missed it. Before I do so, though, I note that, in one of her previous responses, Lesley Graham raised the question of what more can be done and, perhaps, who should be involved. I do not want to go off on a completely different tangent, but I am interested in whether the industry has a role here, given the context within which you have been discussing alcohol harm issues.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It would be interesting to have a little more detail about that and to see the breakdown. That would be welcome—thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is an interesting point.

We are coming up to time. Before I invite the witnesses to make any final comments on anything that we have not covered, Sharon Dowey has a question.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I bring this evidence-taking session to a close. I thank the witnesses for attending. We have picked up a lot of very helpful details.

Next week, we will continue to take evidence as part of the inquiry and we will focus on prevention and enforcement.

12:31 Meeting continued in private until 13:00.  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. I very much hope that everybody has had a good summer. We have received no apologies.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is a review of the evidence that we will hear today. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I will bring in Haydn Pasi on the original question about the context of supply and demand. What are the drivers from your perspective?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

On the physical space issue, would it be fair to say that there is a real desire across services to support work in prisons but that there is a practicality issue?