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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you—that is very helpful. As no one else wants to come in, I will bring in Fulton MacGregor.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Right. The TOM supports that delivery.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful, thank you for that. I will bring in Pauline McNeill for a follow-up question on that point and will then bring in Liam Kerr.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you.

Coming back to the Prison Service’s alcohol and drug recovery strategy, I am interested in whether you feel that the alcohol aspect of that strategy sufficiently addresses the issues that we have been talking about. Should alcohol harm be the subject of, say, a separate approach? Are the policies and guidance that are already in place—as we know, there are a lot of them—translating into consistent practice? We might have touched on that already in relation to consistency and sustainability of services. Moreover, is there sufficient understanding among, expertise in and training for the health professionals who are dealing with and supporting the cohort of the prison population impacted by alcohol harm?

I have asked a few questions there, but I am just interested in finding out how well the strategy is working. Craig, do you want to come in first?

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is an interesting response.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I think that Hamish Robertson wants to interject.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

You have helpfully highlighted the physical and practical challenges of the release process itself—thank you.

I will draw this part of the session to a close, as none of witnesses want to make a final comment. There is always lots that we do not have time to cover, but I thank you all very much for your attendance today. You have given us lots to think about as we begin to shape our report.

I will suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:03 Meeting suspended.  

11:13 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

We move on to our second panel of the morning. I am pleased to welcome Dr Craig Sayers, clinical lead for prison healthcare at NHS Forth Valley and for the national prison care network; Dr Lesley Graham, a retired public health doctor and founding member of Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems; and Dr Catriona Connell from the University of Stirling. Welcome to you all, and thank you very much for your attendance. Thank you also to those witnesses who have provided written submissions.

We are looking to spend around 80 minutes on this evidence session. I will get things going with my usual opening question. I will perhaps come to Dr Sayers first, and I will then move across to Dr Graham and Dr Connell.

We have heard a lot of evidence throughout this inquiry, and we are keenly aware that the primary focus of our evidence has been on the use of drugs in prisons. It has been less to do with the use of alcohol or some other complex issues around co-dependency, the use of alcohol and its impact, particularly in the justice system. Could you perhaps set the scene by setting out whether illicit alcohol in prisons is indeed an issue in Scotland? Is there adequate and consistent screening, and is there early identification of alcohol use disorders at admission? What support and service provision is available in prisons and, more broadly, in the community?

That is quite a big question. I will bring in Dr Sayers first to kick things off.

11:15  

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for those helpful opening remarks. What you seem to be saying is that it is not so much about the illicit use of alcohol in prisons; the focus needs to be on the management of individuals who have been impacted by alcohol use, and on making effective interventions and supporting them while they are in prison and, I presume, after release.