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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

You mentioned the UK Government. The UK budget process has recently been completed but the Scottish budget has not yet been announced. Has there been any early consideration of the impact that UK budget announcements will have on justice? For example, we are aware of some possible concern regarding the impact that the budget might have on third sector organisations and know that those organisations are a big part of some service delivery within justice. Has there been any early consideration of what the budget for the justice sector might look like?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that. I am going to bring in members, so I will hand straight over to Liam Kerr and then Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

The committee might be interested in some follow-up on that, cabinet secretary, as that is an area that we have been looking at closely.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Our next item of business is to conclude our evidence-taking as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. I am pleased to be joined by Angela Constance, who is the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs, and her officials Mr Don McGillivray, who is the director of safer communities, and Ms Gillian Russell, who is director of justice. Thank you for joining us.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2 and to the written submissions from a range of other organisations, which are set out in the annexe to paper 2. We are, as ever, grateful to everyone who sent in their views.

I intend to allow around 90 minutes for this session and I ask the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That was fascinating.

To come back to Scotland, as it were, I will pick up on a point that we discussed during your previous session with us. You suggested that there might be potential to expand your remit to include the prison estate because of the extensive biometric data that exists in that part of the justice sector. Will you give us an update on that work? Have you been able to move that forward?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That was a really interesting update. I commend the annual report, which has a lot of interesting detail that reflects the breadth and detail of the work that has been undertaken this past year.

You have spoken a lot about Police Scotland in the context of the assurance review work and the recommendations that have come out of it, and some of the compliance work that you have done, which is really interesting.

I am very interested, however, in a letter that you sent to Police Scotland in October 2023, with regard to the DESC pilot. The level of detail in the letter is to be commended. Essentially, you set out some concerns that you have with regard to—I will not even attempt to sound as though I have a technical brain—an aspect of Police Scotland’s cloud storage. I am sure that other members will want to come in on that point but I am interested in any update that you have with regard to the specific issue that has been flagged. The fact that you are able to pick up something such as that and take it forward really reflects the value of your commissioner role.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

I thank you and your officials very much for your time, cabinet secretary.

We will have a short suspension to allow for the changeover of witnesses.

11:07 Meeting suspended.  

11:14 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. I will move straight to members and bring in Liam Kerr.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Biometrics Commissioner Annual Report 2023-24

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

That is really helpful.

I cannot remember whether it was in your letter or elsewhere, but I picked up on the fact that you are having to grapple with reserved and devolved legislation on biometrics. In the context of that particular concern, I am interested in hearing your thoughts. Can that be difficult, or are Governments working well together to allow you to do your job?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 13 November 2024

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you for that.

We will move on to questions on prisons. We still have a wee bit to get through, and we have about half an hour left, so I ask for succinct questions and responses.