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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 February 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

In the few minutes that we have left, I will ask a couple of final questions. Your submission refers to vapes being used to smoke drugs in prison. I suppose that it is difficult to stop that, because they are innocuous things to bring into prisons or for prisoners to have. Do you have a view on how to address the use of vapes and what else could be put in place to tackle their use for the consumption of substances?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is good to hear.

We are out of time. If no members want to come back in, I ask the witnesses for any final comments on anything that we have not covered in the meeting. I am sure that there is lots that we have not covered.

As they do not want to add anything, I thank the witnesses for coming. The session has been very helpful for the committee.

I suspend the meeting for about five minutes to allow a change of witnesses.

10:36 Meeting suspended.  

10:45 On resuming—  

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

You made a point about services—local services, in particular—that the Scottish Prison Service engages with. Rather than bodies such as Police Scotland, I mean alcohol and drug partnerships, local social work teams and so on. We know that those services are a crucial part of the staff family in prisons and that they do hugely important work to support the provision of rehabilitation and wellbeing support in the prison environment.

Funding and budgets are always under pressure. Given what we are discussing today, how important is it that local services such as the Scottish Recovery Consortium, Sustainable Interventions Supporting Change Outside and others are able to continue the work that they seek to do in the prison setting? Will you be able to continue to facilitate that work, given the size of the prison population at the moment? What difficulties do you face with that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Rona Mackay, do you have a supplementary?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I have a couple of final questions, which I will direct to Victoria Marland. They are in relation to the submission that the Leverhulme centre sent to the committee.

An issue that came up in our first panel is the challenges that are involved in the use of vapes in prisons. In your submission, you said that the most commonly detected format in samples sent to the Leverhulme centre in 2025 was e-cigarettes. We have heard evidence about the use of vapes to smoke substances in prisons. Can you tell us a wee bit more about the specific issues that you are finding in relation to e-cigarettes and how we can combat those issues?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I will come in with a follow-up question on that, and Ben Macpherson might want to come in after me. My question is about the pressures that are on prison officers because of the number of serious and organised crime group members who are in prison. To what extent does what is happening outwith prisons in the world of serious and organised crime impact on how settled the prison population is? We know that there is a lot of tension between organised crime groups at the moment.

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Sharon Dowey, do you want to ask a follow-up question?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

My final question is about the use of naloxone. I think that I am right in saying that it has been rolled out in the Scottish Prison Service. How helpful has it been for your colleagues who are on the front line in responding to the inevitable situation of an overdose?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

With us for our second panel, we have Detective Chief Superintendent Raymond Higgins, Police Scotland; Jim Smith, head of operations and public protection, the Scottish Prison Service; Gillian Walker, governor in charge of HMP Shotts, the Scottish Prison Service; and Dr Victoria Marland, lead researcher for the SPS research project at the Leverhulme research centre for forensic science, which is based at the University of Dundee. I offer a warm welcome to you all, and I thank those of you who have provided written submissions.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2 and to the private papers that were circulated separately. As before, I intend to allow approximately 90 minutes for this session.

I will begin with an opening question, and I invite responses from Gillian Walker first and then from Jim Smith, then from Detective Chief Superintendent Raymond Higgins and then from Victoria Marland. You all have quite different areas of expertise and involvement with prevention and enforcement with regard to substances entering prisons. Could you start by outlining what proportion of your work focuses on the security and enforcement aspects as opposed to addressing the harms or other impacts that are caused by substance misuse?

Criminal Justice Committee

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Audrey Nicoll

The impact of the evolving nature of synthetic drugs came up in our session with the POA. I suppose that, back in the day, they knew what they were dealing with to a greater extent than now.