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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Criminal Justice Committee. We have received no apologies for the meeting. Pauline McNeill is joining us online.

Our first item of business is to continue our stage 1 scrutiny of the Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill. I am very pleased that we are joined this morning by Fiona Drouet, the founder and chief executive officer of EmilyTest, and by Marsha Scott, the chief executive of Scottish Women’s Aid, who is online.

Welcome to both of you, and thank you for taking the time to attend today’s meeting and for both of your submissions, which are much appreciated. I also extend our thanks to you, Fiona, for your very personal and powerful submission, which reflected your commitment to improving the system around domestic homicide reviews.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2. I intend to allow up to 75 minutes for this evidence session.

I will start by asking a general opening question, and I will come to Fiona first and then bring in Marsha. As you know, the second part of the bill sets up a system of abusive domestic behaviour reviews, and I understand that both of you are supportive of that. Could you elaborate on why that is? Could you also set out whether you have any particular changes that you want to propose to improve the bill?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I never like interjecting, but you have covered very well a lot of the points that are set out in your written submission, and I know that members will probe a wee bit more on those—and on others, I am sure.

I open the discussion to members.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

It is a tricky balance to achieve, I guess.

We will move on to part 1 of the bill in a moment. First, does anyone want to come back in?

10:30  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I call Rona Mackay, to be followed by Sharon Dowey.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Perhaps if there is anything further on equally safe funding, which is an interesting point to pull into the discussion, it might be easier to bring that in by following up in correspondence to the committee. It would be helpful for us to have sight of that.

Pauline, do you want to come back in?

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 February 2025

Audrey Nicoll

That is a helpful reminder and a valuable point.

Thank you all very much. As members and witnesses have no further questions or comments, I will bring the public part of the meeting to a close.

12:01 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I still have a couple of members who are keen to come in on part 1 of the bill, and then we will move on to part 2. I call Katy Clark, to be followed by Fulton MacGregor.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you; it might be worth while for the committee to follow that up.

Neil Websdale, do you want to add anything? The original question was about the possibility of holding joint reviews and, as John Devaney and Grace Boughton have outlined, the potential benefits of that process.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Audrey Nicoll

I was going to go to Neil Websdale, but I will bring in Grace Boughton. You have come from south of the border to join our meeting, so you may have some reflections on what we can think about in the context of what happens elsewhere in the UK, as well as internationally.

Criminal Justice Committee

Criminal Justice Modernisation and Abusive Domestic Behaviour Reviews (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Audrey Nicoll

Thank you. I might come back in a moment with a question on learning lessons. Grace Boughton is next.