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Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Oh no! [Laughter.]
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you—there was a lot for us to think about in your opening statement.
I was going to ask you about the service delivery review and what may come from it that you feel may be positive. However, I want to pick up on the reduction in firefighter numbers that you mentioned. I am interested in probing that a little more and looking further at the reasons for it.
A lot of organisations are seeing a change in their staff numbers as a result of all sorts of different things, such as the introduction of technology, artificial intelligence and innovation—and, in your case, fewer fires. Can you expand on where the cuts are coming from?
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you—that is helpful.
I will bring in Jamie Hepburn for a very brief, succinct question, followed by Liam Kerr and Pam Gosal. I ask you all for brief questions.
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much. That is a really helpful opening comment.
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Agnes would like to come in.
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I will bring you back in if there is time at the end.
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
I apologise for the session overrunning slightly and I thank all our witnesses for an insightful opening session.
We will have a short suspension to allow for a changeover of witnesses.
11:07 Meeting suspended.Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
We are about five minutes out from our scheduled finishing time, but—with the agreement of the next panel of witnesses in the public gallery—I will extend the session for another five minutes to allow for some supplementary questions.
I have a quick question that goes back to the notification requirements in part 1 of the bill. Marsha Scott touched on the fact that MAPPA was not really designed for domestic abuse; I am interested in that. Sticking with you, Dr Scott, do you have any additional views on the provision to make all domestic abuse offenders—as they are defined in the bill—subject to MAPPA? As you touched on that earlier, perhaps you can give a fairly brief response.
Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
Thank you very much, Agnes.
09:45Criminal Justice Committee 3 December 2025 [Draft]
Meeting date: 3 December 2025
Audrey Nicoll
When you say HBA, I take it that you are referring to honour-based abuse.